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Message #1345 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 21:00:30
From: Rich Koster
To: Rick Lee
Subj: re: Toaster3.0/2000
Hi Rick!
On Tuesday, November 16th '93 you wrote to me:
RL> Hey Rich, I run Toaster 3.0 on a 2000. What kind of questions do
RL> you have?
Thanks for the help, but I was just trying to help someone else who
posted here with questions about that kind of a setup. I have a
Toaster 4000 running in an Amiga 4000.
RL> Do you do a;lot of video work?
Over 40 hours a week! ;-)
--- April V0.994fRegBeta+
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Message Command:
Message #1346 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 13:39:30
From: Bill Evans
To: Bill Beogelein
Subj: Re: Bill Beogelein's Toaster
Re: Re: Bill Beogelein's Toaster Problems
> DP> You're right, #3 & #4 won't work - the 3.0 and T4000 software have a
> DP> couple of differences in files (ie, switcher.main are different sizes)
> DP> that each board looks for.
> I guess the question is, what would happen if this was tried? Lock-up?
Just
> few features NOT working? "Toaster can't genlock" requester?
The screen never comes up, some of the messages I saw were Toaster can't
genlock etc, also got green screen as well, I was trying to save some time
on installing two systems and basically got a bunch of problems when
trying to run 4000 software on an old board.
> Nope, no printer. (Has this been officially documented? Has NewTek been
> informed? Is a fix planned? Why would a turn-off-printer on the par:port
ha > any effect at all on a *VIDEO* board?)
As I've said before on the Video echo, the Video slot is basically the sound
More? [Y/n/c] ports, the parallel port and the 23 pin video rolled into one, so if
something
is strange with your parallel port (or the toaster thinks it's strange) their
can be problems, actually several video boards show this in one form or
another, it's just more prevalent on the Toaster
-bill
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Message Command:
Message #1347 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 08:30:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Ralph Garamozian
Subj: Lightwave Speed Up Tips
RG>I have tried everything I can think of to reduce the rendering time -- m
RG>faces, fewer faces, image maps, fractal noise, bigger objects, smaller
RG>objects, nada works. No matter what I try, the render time stays pretty
RG>constant at around 17 to 22 minutes.
Well, the first thing I would check is your light source. It should be set
to spot and it you should have shadow map enabled. If not, what you get is
ray traced shadows, terribly time consuming to render. This is Lwave's
default and you have to manually switch it to Spot/Shadow Map.
* Wave Rider 0.40 Beta *
... visions of Elvis torment me
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Message Command:
Message #1348 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Sun 14 Nov 93 9:38
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: re: Toaster/PC
SM> My point is that the Toaster is NOT mass marketed for a reason. It's
SM> just too impractical a piece of equipment for the average user.
I think you underestimate the 'average user'- In fact, NewTek has geared
their sales to the average user rather than the 'professional'. There are a
lot of 'Mom and Pop' video/computer enthusiasts who are enchanted with the
idea of manipulating their own videos and many, I think, would eventually
even gravitate toward LightWave and 3D animation. Average people ARE hungry
for this stuff. Some company still needs to hit the right marketing
techniques and take the confusion out of "computer/video purchases" and THEN
they'll strike gold...
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Message Command:
Message #1349 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 13 Nov 93 12:35:00
From: Dan Mccoy
To: Chris Baugh
Subj: RE: B5 on CD?
> There's been some discussion here lately about the Syndesis CD-ROM
> and third-party "clip objects." My question for y'all:
>
> IF you could get a CD-ROM with the original objects and scenes from
> Babylon 5 (through some kind of licensing w/Foundation Imaging),
> would you buy it? For how much?
Having bought Syndesis' first 3D-ROM, I'd most certainly buy the next,
especially if it had the above objects and/or objects from other shows
like seaQuest and such. Price? If price were an object to the fun I
have using the Amiga and the Toaster as a HOBBY, I wouldn't be doing
this as a HOBBY. :)
> If they were to ask for a license to use their designs for profit,
> how much would it be worth to you to be able to fly your client's
> logo into docking bay 5?
More? [Y/n/c]
Again, since I do this as a hobby, a license fee doesn't affect me. I'd
be more interested in seeing the technics used in the object and scene
creations. If one day I decide to do this for a living, I'd probably use
this information in creating my own objects though just to see if I could
do it. :)
Have fun,
Dan
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Message Command:
Message #1350 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Thu 18 Nov 93 14:03
From: Jeff Dehaven
To: Oscar Castillo
Subj: Re: Toaster ?s
You got a PAL amiga eh? Hmmm- It must be an older one then- because with
the 2.0 Roms you can switch your displaymode via Prefs and your monitor
list- If you do not allready have the 2.0 (or 2.1) upgrade kit, I would
strongly recommend it to allow the toaster to function properly. The
toaster is pretty touchy about these things- for instance, if switcher is
loaded in the background and your running some program that opens up an
overscan screen- your framebuffers will wig out (nice technical description
eh?). The toaster definately needs to be in NTSC mode as that is all it
deals with.
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Message Command:
Message #1351 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Thu 18 Nov 93 22:00
From: Oscar Castillo
To: Gregg Mercede
Subj: Re: Amiga
Check out what Gregg Mercede wrote on 21 Oct 93 16:27:24:
GM> IBM has
GM> also developed and it is now shipping with OS/2 2.1, full motion 30
GM> frames per second video with NO hardware necessary!!!!
I think you are misleading the public with a statement such as that. Full
motion video at 30 frames can be done on many computers. The difference is
the resolution and amount of colors. A 256 color 160x100 screen can be
considered full motion video.
As a user of both Amiga, and IBM compatibles, the only way I've found to
get 30 frames a sec at a modest resolution was to add harware. Even through
hardware, such as the Indeo, you'll need a 486dx2-66 for 30fps at just
320x240 pixels. Even on a Pentium, once you go higher than 320x240, to
640x480, you get 20fps, on DX2-66 you get only 10fps at the same resolution.
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Message Command:
Message #1352 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 15:44:12
From: Gregg Mercede
To: Chris Baugh
Subj: Toaster/PC
CB> On (11 Nov 93) Gregg Mercede wrote to Chris Baugh...
GM> I hate to say it, but my guess would be that at least 85% of PC Users
GM> would investigate PC hardware to work with their already running PC,
CB> Sure; that explains Newtek's much-discussed marketing of the "Video
CB> Toaster workstation" for the Mac: a "peripheral" that happened to
CB> include a complete Amiga computer under the Newtek logo (remember
CB> the discussions about this approach? <g>). I suppose they might as
CB> well offer a Toaster for the pc one of these days using the same
CB> approach; software comparable to ToasterLink for the Mac could run
CB> very well under os/2 or Win/NT. Since NT supports multiprocessing,
CB> they could even have a ScreamerLink for NT-based PC's that had the
CB> PC do some of the rendering along with the Screamer.
CB> This isn't a suggestion or prediction, just some comments.
More? [Y/n/c]
I didn't realize they were even considering the Mac.
GM
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Message Command:
Message #1353 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 22:50:05
From: Dave Wells
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Panasonic Video Mixers used a
*** Quoting Sam Kanter to Dave Wells dated 11-15-93 ***
> Let's not forget Panasonic's series of video mixers (WJ-AVE-5, WJM-30,
> WJM-50) that will also synchronise the Toaster's outputs. These are not
> TBCs, but will do an excellent job...
I have both the Panasonic MX-10 and MX-12 mixers. They are great for what
they are, but they do not have full-blown TBCs and they won't do the same
job. The AVE-5 is in the same boat. I haven't checked out the MX-30 or
MX-50, but unless they have significantly improved the "TBC"s in them, they
won't do the whole job. I agree, they are great tools. But for a Toaster,
I'd still recommend a dedicated purpose full-blown TBC. It will show up in
the quality of your finished product.
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Message Command:
Message #1354 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 22:55:18
From: Dave Wells
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Full frame TBCs without sync
*** Quoting Ron Kramer to Dave Wells dated 11-15-93 ***
> fine as they were full frame units. The V5000s TBC didn`t accept sync
> reference either. But it did have the memory to store a full frame of
> video, thus making it compatible with the toaster.
>
>
How did you syncronize multiple sources? Or were you using just one V5000
and no other inputs?
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Message Command:
Message #1355 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 22:59:02
From: Dave Wells
To: Chris Baugh
Subj: Toaster/PC
*** Quoting Chris Baugh to Gregg Mercede dated 11-15-93 ***
> the discussions about this approach? <g>). I suppose they might as
> well offer a Toaster for the pc one of these days using the same
> approach; software comparable to ToasterLink for the Mac could run
They already have done so. But I'm not sure they ever got it to work past
the advertising and demo tape stage.
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Message Command:
Message #1356 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 16 Nov 93 15:45:13
From: Rick Lee
To: Rich Koster
Subj: Toaster3.0/2000
Hey Rich, I run Toaster 3.0 on a 2000. What kind of questions do you
have? I use it in a professional environment along with scads of other
software. Recently purchased a PIV-2001 editing system to interface with
the Toaster. I'm evaluating it now and will post my opinions. Do you do
a;lot of video work?
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Message Command:
Message #1357 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 16 Nov 93 13:07:56
From: Sam Kanter
To: Rich Koster
Subj: Re: 3.0
>Amiga 2000s running Toaster 3.0? I don't know. Anyone here have that
>set up? I've got the Toaster 4000 in my Amiga 4000, so sorry, I can't
I'm running 3.0 in a 2000 with GVP 33mHZ 040 accelerator. Except for a few
minor problems with background colors, it works fine...
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Message Command:
Message #1358 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 06:37:05
From: Rich Koster
To: James Hastings-Trew
Subj: re: Football Helmet Object
Hi James!
On Sunday, November 14th '93 you wrote to me:
JHT> If it was an Imagine object,
Yes, it was.
JHT> be aware that Pixel 3D does not support Imagine's object hierarcy.
I didn't know what this meant before. I only thought it meant that it
would import the parent/child objects as one object.
JHT> You'll only get the base object, but none of the child objects
JHT> showing up in the program.
More? [Y/n/c] Thanks for filling me in about this. It works this way in the current
version of the program, Pixel 3D Pro, too?
JHT> If you want a good object converter, I suggest you look at
JHT> Interchange from Syndesis.
Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it, James.
--- April V0.994fRegBeta+
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Message Command:
Message #1359 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 06:39:03
From: Rich Koster
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
Hi Sam!
On Monday, November 15th '93 you wrote to me:
SK> OK, hows this: I'll sell my original 3.0 software and manual, and then
SK> (of course) -destroy- my backup, and go back to using the 2.0 software.
SK> Does that sound reasonable?
Not if you mean that you got the 3.0 software as an upgrade. When you
upgrade you do not "own" two different copies of any piece of software,
IMHO.
Now, if you had bought two versions of the 3.0 software and had sold one,
then IMHO that would be okay. But I'm not a lawyer, remember.
--- April V0.994fRegBeta+
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Message Command:
Message #1360 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 06:47:19
From: Rich Koster
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec
Hi Dan!
On Tuesday, November 16th '93 you wrote to me:
DB> That's the point I was trying to make, since the facemask was
DB> probably the parent group that was the only group that loaded.
DB> If you loaded the object into Imagine you would see the child
DB> objects.
I feel like Homer Simpson: "Duh-OH!" ;-) But I understand now...
DB> Oh well it doesn't matter since you got a LW helmet anyway. Let me
DB> know if you get any info on the price for the upgrade.
There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for $75
plus $5 for shipping.
More? [Y/n/c]
Then they told me that starting in January there will be another
upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for shipping.
--- April V0.994fRegBeta+
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Message Command:
Message #1361 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 12:08:56
From: Jeff Lindstrom
To: Jim Selleck
Subj: Rendering speed
> Is there an aftermarket 040 processor card for the A4000 that will
operate
> at a reasonable SPEED??? Or do I have to have TWO Toaster 4000's in >
operation like Lee???
Check with RCS (Toronto, CA, as I recall). They were designing a
4000-specific accelerator with a 40 MHz 68040. One concern is memory access
speed. Be sure to check on that.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Message Command:
Message #1362 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 16 Nov 93 08:56:00
From: Ken Bouchard
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Whats the cheapest Non-Real-T
That's OK, I think I have found it anyhow.
PC-TV can be had for $99.00 in a recent ad.
While this is not directly a capture board, it comes with software to
capture a frame in realtime. And since it accepts external video that kinda
makes it a capture board, as well as just being a pop up TV set!
If I don't like their software can just load most any TSR capture sw.
Thanks..
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Message Command:
Message #1363 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 17 Nov 93 17:06:42
From: Ron Kramer
To: Bob Lindabury
Subj: 3D-Studio Objects For Lightwa
BL> The NEW Graphics BBS "It's better than a sharp stick
BL> in the eye!" Andy Meyer
BL> 908/469-0049 * 14400 Baud Lines * Free FidoNet/UseNet
Bob, its fine to let others know about your bbs, but its against echo rules
to have a banner such as this above. National echomail rules allow for ONE
tag line at the end of your messages.
BL> * Origin: The NEW Graphics BBS +1 908/469-0049 (1:107/320)
And this is it.
Please remove any repetitive banner, thanks
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Message Command:
Message #1364 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 14 Nov 93 08:19:00
From: Mark Warren
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
*In a message dated 29 Oct 93 15:25:24 Sam Kanter writes:
SK> This is exactly what I said. And since I, and I would think a large
SK> portion of Toaster users are using S-VHS and Hi-8 formats, the
SK> Toaster unneccesarily degrades the image quality considerable.
SK>
SK> Newtek has always stonewalled this important issue claiming that all
SK> this is not relevant.
Sam,
Please fogive my 'Butting-in' here, but I think you are in error. I do not
believe that there is a large portion using S-Video. I believe that
Toaster users cover a gamut of tape formats. With our urban setting, as a
dealer I see just as many people using the Toaster in 3/4, 1" and Beta
suites as I do with S-Video. Especially for those using composite, why
More? [Y/n/c] should they pay for a feature they will not need? That's kind of like
adding one, two, or three TBC's to each Toaster, just for those who don't
already have them, wasting other people's money who have built-in TBC's in
their VTR's.
To me, it makes sense to make equiping your Toaster for Y/C as a seperate
add-on - *if you need it*. I don't see any grounds for the remark that
NewTek is "stonewalling this important issue."
NewTek dealer & user,
- Mark
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Message Command:
Message #1365 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 14 Nov 93 08:32:00
From: Mark Warren
To: James Hastings-Trew
Subj: Re: SAY IT!
*In a message dated Thu 28 Oct 93 23:41 James Hastings-Trew writes:
JH> What you were trying to say was lost on me because it was as vauge
JH> as smoke. The Video Toaster represents a major leap in the ability
JH> of small production shows (like Limbaugh) to add some spice to their
JH> product without going broke. This is a good thing. Just because you
JH> disagree with the message in a knee-jerk liberal fashion does not
JH> mean that the use of the Toaster by Rush's production staff should
JH> not be noted and aplauded. This is the type of use of the Toaster
JH> that should inspire young people of whatever political persuasion to
JH> see that the production of a popular show such as Rush Limbaugh's is
JH> not beyond their own means, economically, or creatively.
JH>
JH> In closing, I'd like to say that if Liberals such as yourself really
JH> hate Rush's show, then produce a compelling alternative, and let the
More? [Y/n/c] JH> free market of ideas decide which will survive. And... if you use a
JH> Toaster, I will applaud that effort too, for the medium, if not the
JH> content.
Here, here... (applause fills the room)
- Mark
P.S. - Let me "ditto" what you have said.
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Message Command:
Message #1366 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 14 Nov 93 08:53:00
From: Mark Warren
To: Michael Eng
Subj: Re: Toaster 4000 Bug????
*In a message dated 05 Nov 93 06:18:14 Michael Eng writes:
ME> I am using a Toaster 4000 and for some reason I have been have a
ME> problem with it's CG. Sometimes when I type a keypage, half
ME> of the text does not have a Dropshadow (Bottom
ME> half). I have tried selecting the whole page
ME> and resetting the dropshadow and dropshadow
ME> color, but nothing changes. All I can do is start on a
ME> new page and hope it has the right dropshadows.
ME> Is this a bug with the new Toaster 4000?
ME> Any Help would be appretiated.
Mike,
While I have not experienced the problem you are having with your Toaster,
let me tell you that NewTek is releasing a free upgrade at the end of
More? [Y/n/c] November for all registered 3.0 and T4000 owners.
This upgrade will contain some bug fixes, added effects and 40 pages of
additional documentation.
Let me cite my source, The Desktop Video Wizards Network.
I hope your problem will be fixed with this upgrade. Good luck.
- Mark
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Message Command:
Message #1367 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 15 Nov 93 15:09:11
From: James Kewageshig
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Bones?
GD> for an object. I've tried this without any success.
GD> Has anyone had any luck building a hierarchy of bones
GD> in an object using the parent command...each time I
GD> select a bone as a parent of another bone it jumps to
GD> another position and I loose my hierarchal structure for the object.
RK>Ive had great success with bones in dinosaur objects. The reason your
bones are
RK>jumping is because you placed them, then made them parents. Load in the
series
RK>of 10 bones, then parent 1-2,2-3,3-4,4,5 etc... THEN place them.
RK>IF you do it your way, and they jump... simply replace them (now that
they are
RK>parented) and they will stay in place.
Is there any way to overcome the problem of parented(child) bones moving in
More? [Y/n/c] the opposite direction based on which way the parent bone is positioned??
IE: I have a 'pelvic' bone. Rotate it's heading 180 deg so that it is
rotated/facing the way I like. Now, parent the 'chest' bone to it.
Now when I move the chest bone to set the rest pos, it moves approx
opposite of what I'd expect, based on the fact that its parent bone
is set to heading 180 deg... It gets hard to position things when they
move in the opposite direction... :(
PS: In my above example, should I do as you mentioned above, and parent
the chest bone to the pelvic bone BEFORE moving and setting the rest
position for the pelvic bone... ??
Thanks, James K.
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Message Command:
Message #1368 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 17 Nov 93 00:19:11
From: J. Moore
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Re: Surfaces...
JEC> Since this is a custom object, and the user didn't specify that
JEC> it was beveled, it may be a different problem.
True. It did sound exactly like the problem I found with beveled or
rounded objects though. But you never know, and your suggestions are a
good way to track it down. Nice to see some helpful hints around here.
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Message Command:
Message #1369 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 16 Nov 93 17:30:58
From: Zoltan Hunt
To: Nancy Kowall
Subj: Beyond the Edge (video tape)
Great, I hope mine gets here before the end of the month.
>Zoltan>
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Message Command:
Message #1370 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 13 Nov 93 10:38:44
From: Jimmy Wright
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Say it!
SK>I though the Limbaugh topic was off limits?
SK>
SK>For the record, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who watches or listens
SK>to Limbaugh and can't see who he is and what he stands for is not
SK>going to be convinced by examples I give or anything I say. We live
SK>in different worlds. This topic is closed for me...
....
......
.....What does he stan for??
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Message Command:
Message #1371 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 09:35:37
From: Mark Redman
To: All
Subj: Wanted
I am looking for used/B-Stock video equipment in either S-VHS or 3/4"
formats. I need VTR's, VTP's, Cameras, and an Edit system compatable
with a Toaster 4000. If you have anything or suggestions where I might try,
leave me e-mail here or Fax me at (205) 426-2311.
Thanks,
Mark Redman
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Message Command:
Message #1372 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 15 Nov 93 22:43:12
From: Terry Mundy
To: All
Subj: Community Animation
I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on at
least one thing.
Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or
another, in a Toaster net community video?
What I mean by that is, everyone will submit something to an animation
then pass it on to the next person for scene motion. If you feel like
it an object can be donated if your a little shy on the creativity of
motion or just don't have the time.
We may not agree on all things, but we all DO frequent this board, and
I believe that we should be able to put together a very tremendous
looking animation.
The problems that we have to work with are, what type of animation,
More? [Y/n/c] i.e. space, land, sea? Then who how does it get started? Who's in
charge of what? And the big question, Who would render it, and to
what format. Better that S-VHS or Hi8 would be nice.
Maybe we can get our animation in the AW animation video, and least of
all, become a more advanced community of animators that NewTek would
darned well listen to!
What does everyone think?
Leave your reply here.
Terry Mundy
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Message Command:
Message #1373 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Thu 18 Nov 93 20:12
From: Nancy Kowall
To: All
Subj: FastLane
ANYONE HAVING TBC AND/OR GENLOCK PROBLEMS WITH THEIR TOASTER_4000 AFTER
INSTALLING FASTLANE??? I FINALLY GOT A DECENT TOASTER BOARD AND NOW THIS...
ACTING MORE LIKE A HEAT PROBLEM-IN THE SWITCHER, LIVE VIDEO LOCKS IN FOR
ABOUT 10 MINUTES AND THEN STARTS PULLING. AFTER EXITING TOASTER, WB (OR ANY
PRG) IS GENLOCKED BUT WILL SUDDENLY DISAPPEAR AFTER 10 OR 15 MINUTES,
LEAVING THE LIVE VIDEO....
(USING PERSONAL TBC I WHICH WAS RECENTLY REFURBISHED)
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Message Command:
Message #1374 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 13:53:40
From: Sam Kanter
To: Rich Koster
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
>I KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE POSTED THESE MESSAGES. THEY GOT THE
>DOUBLE-UPGRADE OFFER FROM NEWTEK, SO THEY LEGALLY HAVE TWO VERSIONS
>OF 3.0 AND ARE SELLING ONE OF THEM.
REALLY? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE 3.0 SOFTWARE AND TOASTER 4000
SOFTWARE WAS DIFFERENT. THE 3.0 IS 29 DISKS AND THE 4000 IS MUCH MORE, AND
THAT THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. SO, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELLING THEIR 3.0
SOFTWARE WOULD BE DISABLING THEIR SECOND SYSTEM -- THE REASON THAT THEY GOT
THE DOUBLE-UPGRADE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IF I'M WRONG ABOUT ALL THIS, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT IT. AM I?
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Message Command:
Message #1375 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 13:55:44
From: Sam Kanter
To: Neil Nadelman
Subj: Re: PROBLEMS GETTING AG-1970'
>I THINK THE TBC PLUS IS UNDER $1000. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT DEAL WITH
ALL
THANKS, NEIL. I'LL CERTAINLY CHECK THE TBC + OUT...
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Message Command:
Message #1376 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 19 Nov 93 08:47:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: All
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas?
I AM ON MY 2ND REPLACEMENT TOASTER AND I AM PERPLEXED.
I AM RELUCTANT TO SEND THIS ONE BACK UNTIL I HAVE ISOLATED THE PROBLEM AND
PROVED TO MYSELF THAT IT IS THE TOASTER AND NOT MY A2000.
HERE IS THE SETUP:
AMIGA 2000 REV 6.2, PP&S 040 BOARD WITH 8 MEGS OF RAM, DKB MEGACHIP UPGRADE,
TRUMPCARD PRO SCSI CONTROLLER, ONE 340 MEG DRIVE, ONE 40 MEG DRIVE, ONE
FLOPPY, ONE TOASTER 4000 BOARD WITH THE 3.0 SOFTWARE.
THE COMPUTER ITSELF RUNS FLAWLESSLY. NO PROBLEM WITH VIDEO OUTPUT. ONE
SLIGHT PROBLEM SYMPTOM: THE POWER LED DOES NOT LIGHT UP. IN FACT, WHEN ALL
CARDS ARE STRIPPED OUT OF THE MACHINE, THE LED STILL DOES NOT LIGHT UP.
NOW THE PROBLEM:
WHEN THE TOASTER IS FIRST BOOTED, I GET TERRIBLE HORIZONTAL NOISE, AND I
MEAN PURE HORIZONTAL--STRAIGHT ACROSS THE SCREEN, LINES OF VIDEO
More? [Y/n/c] INTERFERENCE. IT SEEMS POSSIBLE CONNECTED TO (COULD THIS BE POSSIBLE?) HARD
DISK ACCESS BUT THEN AGAIN, EVEN AFTER THE HARD DISK HAS SETTLED DOWN, THE
NOISE PERSISTS. NOW, WIERDER STILL, AFTER A WHILE (MAYBE 15 MINUTES) THE
NOISE GRADUALLY GOES AWAY. AFTER THE MACHINE HAS BEEN ON FOR A LONGER
PERIOD OF TIME, THE NOISE IS TOTALLY GONE.
I HAVE TRIED BOOTING WITH NO VIDEO CONNECTED ON INPUT ONE, WITH A LIVE
CAMERA ON INPUT ONE, AND WITH TBC VIDEO ON INPUT ONE; NONE OF THESE HAS ANY
INFLUENCE ON THE PROBLEM.
I HAVE ALSO TRIED ADJUSTING THE HORIZONTAL SYNC ON THE TOASTER (THE LITTLE
POT ON THE BOARD). I CAN SCREW IT UP PRETTY WELL, BUT WHEN I MOVE IT BACK
TO WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST POSITION IN TERMS OF PICTURE QUALITY, THE
PROBLEM PERSISTS.
I KNOW I CAN JUST SEND IT IN AND GET A REPLACEMENT BUT RIGHT NOW I WANT TO
PROVE TO MYSELF THAT THE PROBLEM IS NOT IN MY COMPUTER. STRANGE PROBLEM,
NO?
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Message Command:
Message #1377 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Fri 19 Nov 93 18:00
From: Oscar Castillo
To: Jeff Dehaven
Subj: Re: Toaster ?s
NO, NO, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY AN NTSC AMIGA, JUST THAT IT WAS ALTERED TO
BOOT IN PAL. IF I TRIED TO RUN IMAGINE IN PAL, I'D GET A MESSAGE STATING IT
WAS THE VERSION OF IMAGINE I HAVE IS AN INCORRECT NTSC/PAL VERSION. I THEN
USED DEGRADER TO KICK IT BACK INTO NTSC, AND THEN RAN IMAGINE, AND PRESTO,
IT RAN PERFECTLY. ENCOUNTERING THIS PROBLEM, I STARTED TO THINK WHETHER OR
NOT THE TOASTER SOFTWARE WOULD FAIL TO LOAD, LIKE IMAGINE DID, OR SOME OTHER
ODDITIES. I GUESS I'LL JUST RE-REALTER THE MOTHERBOARD BAK TO NTSC TO BE ON
THE SAFE SIDE.
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Message Command:
Message #1378 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 17 Nov 93 22:13:10
From: Mark Weiss
To: Anthony Caputo
Subj: Toast
AC>OK WILL DO MARK,THIS SOUNDS LIKE A INTERESTING,TO THE FACT THAT AMIGA AT
AC>ONE TIME WAS ONE OF A FEW COMPUTERS AVAILABLE TO DO THESE
AC>SO CALLED SPECIAL GRAPHICAL THINGS,I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT
AC>THIS OS2 CONF. ONLY AS A
AC>CURIOUSITY.YOUR LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THE LAST FLING OF
AC>DISCUSSING THIS SUBJECT......................TIME MARCHES
AC>ON...ON...NO.................
AC>TALK TO YOU SOON ON LANDLINE.
AC>TONY
YOU WERE A FORMER COMMODORE OWNER YOURSELF, WEREN'T YOU? <G>
SEE YOU ON OS_DEBATE......
MARK
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More? [Y/n/c]
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Message Command:
Message #1379 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 22:02:08
From: Mark Weiss
To: Chris Baugh
Subj: LW on a PC? ALL PC owner
CB> MW> RESOLUTION IS EQUAL TO THE NUMBER OF DISCREET VERTICAL LINES THAT CAN
CB>I REMEMBERED THAT PART FROM MY VIDEO SYSTEMS CLASS..
CB> MW> BE SEEN AT 3/4 OF THE WIDTH OF THE SCREEN. HENCE, 600 DOTS ACROSS THE
CB>BUT I'D FORGOTTEN THAT. (I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS MENTIONED SINCE THE
CB>INSTRUCTOR AND TEXTS WERE *VERY* THOROUGH.) THANKS FOR PROVIDING
CB>THE MISSING PIECE OF THE PICTURE (245 LINES, ISN'T IT? <G>).
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ORIGINAL EXAMPLE WAS, BUT JUST MULTIPLY YOUR
NUMBER OF DOTS ALONG A HORIZONTAL AXIS AND MULTIPLY BY .75 AND YOU HAVE
THE ANSWER IN TV LINES.
BTW, YOUR DIPLOMACY HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED. CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING
ABOUT THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ECHO TO POST MESSAGES TO ME IN A CIVILIZED
More? [Y/n/c] MANNER. <G>
MARK
* SLMR 2.1A * WHO'S GOING TO PROTECT US FROM OUR "PROTECTORS"?
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Message Command:
Message #1380 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 19 Nov 93 08:41:22
From: Gregg Mercede
To: Oscar Castillo
Subj: Re: Amiga
OC> CHECK OUT WHAT GREGG MERCEDE WROTE ON 21 OCT 93 16:27:24:
GM> IBM HAS
GM> ALSO DEVELOPED AND IT IS NOW SHIPPING WITH OS/2 2.1, FULL MOTION 30
GM> FRAMES PER SECOND VIDEO WITH NO HARDWARE NECESSARY!!!!
OC> I THINK YOU ARE MISLEADING THE PUBLIC WITH A
OC> STATEMENT SUCH AS THAT. FULL MOTION VIDEO AT 30 FRAMES
OC> CAN BE DONE ON MANY COMPUTERS. THE DIFFERENCE IS THE
OC> RESOLUTION AND AMOUNT OF COLORS. A 256 COLOR 160X100
OC> SCREEN CAN BE CONSIDERED FULL MOTION VIDEO.
OC> AS A USER OF BOTH AMIGA, AND IBM COMPATIBLES, THE
OC> ONLY WAY I'VE FOUND TO GET 30 FRAMES A SEC AT A MODEST
OC> RESOLUTION WAS TO ADD HARWARE. EVEN THROUGH HARDWARE,
OC> SUCH AS THE INDEO, YOU'LL NEED A 486DX2-66 FOR 30FPS AT
OC> JUST 320X240 PIXELS. EVEN ON A PENTIUM, ONCE YOU GO
OC> HIGHER THAN 320X240, TO 640X480, YOU GET 20FPS, ON DX2-
More? [Y/n/c]
DEVELOPERS FOR THE AMIGA HAVE STATED IN THE PRESS THAT IBM'S ULTIMOTION
PLAYER IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD, NOTHING CAN TOUCH IT. THIS MAY BE BECAUSE
YOU CAN PLAY TWO, OR THREE VIDEOS ON THE SAME SCREEN. AND THE VIDEO IS
SYNCHRONIZED. AND AT 30 FPS. IT DEPENDS ON THE MOVIE FILE.
OHH, AND BY THE WAY, THOUGH THERE ARE NOT MANY GOOD AVI FILES THAT COME WITH
THE OS/2 CD-ROM, THERE ARE ONES THAT EXIST THAT ARE 1024X768. AND THE
MOTION IS FLAWLESS.
BUT ENOUGH OF THAT, THIS IS THE VIDEO TOASTER ECHO. YOU ARE RESPONDING TO
AN OLD MESSAGE.
GM
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Message Command:
Message #1381 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 18 Nov 93 23:48:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To: Scott Pessoni
Subj: TBC's
SP> THANKS FOR THE ADVISE! BUT THERE IS A BIG DEFFERENCE IN PRICE. I AM
SP> LOOKING TO THE DUAL TBC ADAPTER FOR DPS. I DON'T KNOW THE PRICE YET
SP> THOUGH. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THERE EXTERNAL CONTORLER COSTS?
I KNOW THAT DPS MAKES A CARD CAGE THAT CAN HOLD TWO OF ITS TBCS, I
HAVEN'T HEARD OF A DUAL ADAPTER, UNLESS YOU MEAN THAT. THE CONTROLLER
RUNS ABOUT $500 LIST. NOT SURE ABOUT STREET PRICE. THE SOFTWARE
IS QUITE NICE THOUGH, SO IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER TO PUT THEM
IN AND CONTROL THEM WITH, DO SO. THE SOFTWARE IS GOOD ON A PC OR AMIGA,
BTW.
AGAIN, 4:2:2 IS QUITE NICE WITH HIGH END DECKS. TOP LINE SVHS OR BETA
SP YOU CAN REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE. WITH MID LINE TO LOWER END
SVHS STUFF, THE QUALITY DIFFERENCE ISN'T THAT GREAT, BUT IS STILL
NOTICEABLE.
More? [Y/n/c]
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Message Command:
Message #1382 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 11:04:17
From: Zoltan Hunt
To: Don Pope
Subj: Re: LightWave Pro Newsletter
Thanks, I'll look into it.
>ZOltan>
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Message Command:
Message #1383 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 11:10:48
From: Zoltan Hunt
To: Peter Greci
Subj: Re: LightWave Pro Newsletter
Thanks, I might decide to go with this one.
>Zoltan>
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Message Command:
Message #1384 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 19 Nov 93 11:05:13
From: J Eric Chard
To: Chris Baugh
Subj: Re: Saturation of a pixel
*In a message dated 15 Nov 93 17:00:36 Chris Baugh writes:
CB> On (10 Nov 93) J Eric Chard wrote to All...
CB>
CB> JE> Anybody know a good way to determine the saturation of a pixel?
CB>
CB> Use a vectorscope. Look around the perimeter of the circle for the
No duh. Maybe it wasn't clear from the context, but I meant from
the RGB values, not the signal.
BTW, it'd be DAMN hard to single out a pixel on a vectorscope.
Allen Hastings provided me with the formula that lightwave uses:
min=minimum(r,g,b)
More? [Y/n/c] max=maximum(r,g,b)
saturation= (max-min)/max
This gives a value between 0 and 1. Multiply by 255 for rgb
usefullness.
CB> JE> Also, is the luminance the SUM or the AVERAGE of the RGB
CB> components?
CB>
CB> For ntsc, it's a weighted combination of the three - about 55%
CB> green, 35% red and the rest blue. Mark Weiss may have the exact
CB> figures handy.
Thanx. (LWave uses a simple maximum(r,g,b).) I'm trying to
re-create Kai's Power Tools for Photoshop on ImageFX.
*FSED91j*
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Message Command:
Message #1385 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 19 Nov 93 11:13:15
From: J Eric Chard
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: A Better Switcher
*In a message dated 16 Nov 93 17:26:08 Ron Kramer writes:
RK> I`m still down on the source selection of devices for framestores.
RK> I keep many on another drive back on a 2nd machine and access them
RK> via Parnet.
RK> the device NET: is selectable, but not NET:dh4
Yes. It gets even worse if you try to move FRAMESTORE:PAGES
around- a real hassle.
Apparently NewTek never met a system routine they liked.
RK> Someone suggested to...
RK>
RK> assign FSD: NET:dh4/Framestore
RK>
RK> But it doesn`t work as the toaster software doesn`t seem to see FSD:
More? [Y/n/c] RK> as a device. I would rather be allowed to enter a path. I often
Drag. Perhaps there is a PD utility somewhere that fools the
system into thinking logical volumes are devices. The PAR started out as a
logical volume, -their latest s/w now appears as a device.
*FSED91j*
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Message Command:
Message #1386 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 11:47:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec
-> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another
-> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for
-> shipping.
I think you mean Pixel Pro but thanks for the info!
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Message Command:
Message #1387 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 12:06:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Community Animation
-> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on at
-> least one thing.
->
-> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or
-> another, in a Toaster net community video?
->
-> What I mean by that is, everyone will submit something to an
-> animation then pass it on to the next person for scene motion. If
-> you feel like it an object can be donated if your a little shy on the
-> creativity of motion or just don't have the time.
->
-> We may not agree on all things, but we all DO frequent this board,
-> and I believe that we should be able to put together a very
-> tremendous looking animation.
The local guys around here have talked about doing some kind of project
for next years Siggraph show but so far that's all it is- talk. To get a
More? [Y/n/c] large group of people even locally to co-operate together and actually
deliver on what they say they will do is very hard. My feeling is that
great works of art are never produced by committee, they are the vision
of a single artist.
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Message Command:
Message #1388 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 12:08:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Mark Redman
Subj: Wanted
-> I am looking for used/B-Stock video equipment in either S-VHS or 3/4"
-> formats. I need VTR's, VTP's, Cameras, and an Edit system
-> compatable with a Toaster 4000. If you have anything or suggestions
-> where I might try, leave me e-mail here or Fax me at (205) 426-2311.
Try Composite Video. They buy/sell used pro video gear. Their number is
813-546-6407 Fax# is 813-544-1018.
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Message Command:
Message #1389 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 17:33:20
From: Ron Kramer
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
>system.
SK>
SK> You'thinks wrong. I've seen -several- ads up here for
SK> people selling their 3.0
The ADS you`ve seen selling 3.0 software (LIKE MINE) Was because SOME people
bought the DOUBLE UP upgrade. We got a T4000 card and 3.0 Software for the
T4000 care. WE ALSO got 3.0 software upgrade for our Toaster 2.0`s. Some
people then sold (like me) their older Toaster 2.0 cards and still have the
3.0 upgrade to sell. The ORIGINAL, and have no need for it themselves as
they have the T4000 and 3.0 for it with original manual.
SK> software. I would assume that they would backup the
SK> software, copy the manual,
SK> and then sell the registered software and manual for
SK> $500. This seems legal to
More? [Y/n/c] SK> me, and I assumed that -any- registered user wouldn't
SK> mind doing this for $500.
SK> I had no intentions of doing it myself until I saw
SK> these other messages. I
It is piracy, anyone doing this would be pirating and using a pirated copy
of the software and manual. And registered or not... do this and Newtek may
just require that you send the original disk #1 (With their custom label) in
order for you (and all) to upgrade to 4.0 !!!!! Leaving YOU the pirate with
NO WAY to upgrade short of buying another toaster...
SK> manuals to others don't
SK> keep copies for themselves? Who are we kidding?
I sold my 3.0 original and I still have my original disks for my T4000/3.0
and my original T4000/3.0 manual. If you have a toaster, you`d better have
a set of original disks as well. Especially with LightRave floating around,
upgrades will probably need to be proven in the future by showing posession
of original manual and or disks.
Your choise.
More? [Y/n/c]
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1390 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 17:46:04
From: Ron Kramer
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
SK> Why do you think Y/C formats like S-VHS and Hi-8 were
SK> developed? Composite, especially in
SK> prosumer/industrial formats like S-VHS and Hi-8, is inferior to Y/C.
I have a professional 3/4 editing system. And guess what connections it uses.
Nope, `Composite`. And my 3/4 system certainly isn`t inferior to my S and
HI8 equipment. S and HI8 were not developed to be better then 3/4 or
composite... they were developed to be superior to VHS and 8mm.
Y/C was simply one way of stetching more quality out of the two consumer
formats. The S/N and multi-generation ability of 3/4 far exceeds that of S
and HI8. I have them all, and there is more to a good video signal then
seperate chroma and luma.
More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1391 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 17:54:44
From: Ron Kramer
To: PETER Greci
Subj: Re: Opalvision, anyone?
PG> MIDGARD GRAPHICS Phone XXX-XXX-1423 Creators of 3D
PG> Animation and Special FX.
Peter, I`m feeling deja-vu here. Banners aren`t allowed nor commercial
advertising. Please remove this again.
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1392 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 16 Nov 93 05:30:00
From: Daryl Smith
To: Don Pope
Subj: Re: Sanyo VTR
> Hi Scott... Not to put words in Daryl's mouth, but I don't think he
> was looking for a comparison between the Sanyo and the AG Panasonics.
> I think he is looking for a lower priced alternative than a 7750. Yes,
> the Panasonics are more rugged and better built - they also cost twice
> as much as the Sanyo!
> Amigaly, .Don.
Thanks Don ,be my guess cuz there's no one here that can make the
7750 series sound like a winner to a blue collar worker like myself
trying to get into the video business.I had a Toaster the 1st month that
it came out and haven't been able to afford the video equipment to go
with it . I got these old outdated 3/4" decks when I didn't know what to
buy and found out later one REELLY needs tyme code when doing music
videos.Now I must keep reading in VTU magazine about 16 yr olds buying
Benzes, and Saabs while Im still using 2.0 software and no decks.So
More? [Y/n/c] anyway I got a quote of sumthing like 2700.00 from a mail order company
and as soon as I can beg, borrow, or steal the money for 2 of them bad
boys I will be in business. Right now nobody wants to give you time
code, single frame control, hi-fi audio, switching(audio and video)
,etc... in one package even though they could. Im hoping Sanyo can do to
the professional video equipment industry what Newtek did to the TV
industry. Cuz right now still only elite can afford most of the video
and support equipment.
Here I am wiatin' on dem dere 500 channels !
--- Maximus/2 2.01wb
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Message Command:
Message #1393 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 10:21:54
From: Arthur Freems
To: All
Subj: Microwave TV reception
I'm interested in finding what transmissions are available in the South
Florida Area. Particularly ITFS (Instructional Fixed Serviced). Also
looking for equipment and techniques.
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1394 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 12:33:40
From: Ron Kramer
To: James Kewageshig
Subj: Bones?
JK> the chest bone to the pelvic bone BEFORE moving and setting the
rest
JK> position for the pelvic bone... ??
Load all the bones you will need into the object before moving any of them.
Then parent them together, 2to1, 3to2, 4to3 etc. The place them in the
object and set their rest positions. Now move the pelvic bone. Remember
there are USUALLY bones between the pelvis and chest bones... you may need a
buffer of them between the waist and chest for realism... place a couple
vertibrae in between them.
The rest position is the position of the bones with no modification to the
object. So think of it as the objects original or normal position. Once
the rest is set - any movement to that bone will effect the object.
More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1395 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 12:44:30
From: Ron Kramer
To: Ken Bouchard
Subj: Whats the cheapest Non-Real-T
KB> That's OK, I think I have found it anyhow.
KB> PC-TV can be had for $99.00 in a recent ad.
KB> While this is not directly a capture board, it comes
Ya, I saw one of these at Sears. It was cute. Good luck.
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1396 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 19:17:03
From: Rich Koster
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
Hi Sam!
On Thursday, November 18th '93 you wrote to me:
SK> I was under the impression that the 3.0 software and Toaster
SK> 4000 software was different. The 3.0 is 29 disks and the 4000
SK> is much more,
And when you install them, the installation program is smart enough
to know which version needs to be installed. For example, on my
Toaster 4000/Amiga 4000 system, many disks were skipped at installation
time automatically because these would only be needed if it was to be
installed on an A2000 or A3000 system.
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Message #1397 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 19:17:39
From: Rich Koster
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec
Hi Dan!
On Saturday, November 20th '93 you wrote to me:
DB> -> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another
DB> -> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for
DB> -> shipping.
DB> I think you mean Pixel Pro but thanks for the info!
I'm *so* confused! :) Yes, I meant Pixel Pro owners.
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Message #1398 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 10:56:00
From: Rick Lee
To: Anthony Caputo
Subj: Toast
On 11-16-93 ANTHONY CAPUTO wrote to MARK WEISS...
AC> MW> I simply won't use one because the results look
AC> MW> rather "ameteur". Edges
AC> I agree,even though the crumbs fall out the bottom and it is hard to
AC> clean
AC> it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AC> MW> edges. Well, I'll say this "you gets whats you pay for". <g>
AC> Toasters in general are not what there are cracked up to be in todays
AC> high
AC> tech world.One more thing,Toaster owners should come out of the
AC> "DREAM"
AC> world and come out and sample the new stuff in the real world.
AC> Many happy jagged edges to you,
AC> Tony Tony Tony
AC>
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AC>
I work in a professional video environment. I use the "new stuff in the
real
world " daily. What's your point? The Toaster has provided me and my clients
a
low cost solution for many a project. And the Amiga platform itself is the
best
way to go for video. Do you own or use a Toaster? Mine has made me a lot of
$$$
so your flame on the Toaster means nothing. And I continually impress my
client
's with the capability of the Amiga platform. I am living in the real world.
Take your Toaster flames somewhere else. When you start signing the paycheck
maybe I'll listen. NOT!
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Message #1399 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 18 Nov 93 19:57:00
From: Coniah Chuang
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
After discussions with DPS and professional VTR suppliers, it is clear that
the problem with using a composite signal with the Video Toaster is not the
TBC or the Video Toaster, but with the record deck. The filtering required
to convert the composite signal back into its Y/C components may degrade the
signal by as much as 25%, depending on the quality of the decks. The
combination of the decoding and writing to tape is the cause of the majority
of the degradation, not the cable type.
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Message #1400 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 19 Nov 93 21:00:21
From: Tim Krego
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec
RK> There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for $75
RK> plus $5 for shipping.
RK>
RK> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another
RK> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for
RK> shipping.
Do you have a special number to order the upgrade? Is this for the 4000
Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded LW.
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Message #1401 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 20 Nov 93 18:37:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To: Nancy Kowall
Subj: re: Toaster/PC
SM> My point is that the Toaster is NOT mass marketed for a reason. It's
SM> just too impractical a piece of equipment for the average user.
NK> I think you underestimate the 'average user'- In fact, NewTek has geared
NK> their sales to the average user rather than the 'professional'. There
are
NK> a lot of 'Mom and Pop' video/computer enthusiasts who are enchanted with
NK> the idea of manipulating their own videos and many, I think, would
NK> eventually even gravitate toward LightWave and 3D animation. Average
NK> people ARE hungry for this stuff. Some company still needs to hit the
NK> right marketing techniques and take the confusion out of "computer/video
NK> purchases" and THEN they'll strike gold...
Nancy, I was referring to the average computer user, not the average
video user. Most folks I know with PCs don't do video as anything more
than taking a cam corder to the family reunion or the occasional
More? [Y/n/c] birthday party.
While there may be quite a few computer / video hobbyists out there,
they do not make up a signifigant part of the average PC using market.
While a simple video card that lets you title and edit some simple
home video may someday come on the PC, I don't think the Toaster is
it. To use a Toaster in a suite requires too much other hardware for
a simple computer hobbyist to edit home videos. Now, a Video hobbyist
may find it worth while, but their numbers are much lower than the
number of PC users out there.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing more than to see home video
editing become toaster based, but with the need for TBCed VTRs that
the Toaster creates, most folks would still find it cheaper to edit
at home on a pair of AG-1970s, a simple Panasonic A/V mixer, and a
good cam-corder.
Again, my point is that NewTek has to sell a lot of units on the PC
to make it worth their while to convert the Toaster. To sell a lot
of units on the PC you have to have true mass market appeal. The
Toaster is just too cantankerous (compared to cheaper A/V stuff like
Panasonics simple mixers) and too demanding on resources to become
More? [Y/n/c] a mass market device in the near future.
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Message #1402 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 20 Nov 93 19:07:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
RK> I know the people who have posted these messages. They got the
RK> double-upgrade offer from NewTek, so they legally have two versions
RK> of 3.0 and are selling one of them.
SK> Really? I was under the impression that the 3.0 software and Toaster 4000
SK> software was different. The 3.0 is 29 disks and the 4000 is much more,
SK> and that they are not compatible. So, the people who are selling their
SK> 3.0 software would be disabling their second system -- the reason that
SK> they got the double-upgrade in the first place.
SK>
SK> If I'm wrong about all this, I'll be the first to admit it. Am I?
You're right. I've tested this. Have a friend who had both pieces of
software installed on his A2000 (Toaster 4000, first 29 disks, and
Toaster 3.0, 29 disks also) We were using his old T2000 while waiting
for his T4000 to come back from repairs. T2000 ONLY worked on 3.0,
More? [Y/n/c] T4000 ONLY worked on T4000 software.
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Message #1403 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 20 Nov 93 19:13:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas
Quoting Mike Nielson:
>I am on my 2nd replacement Toaster and I am perplexed.
>I am reluctant to send this one back until I have isolated the problem
>and proved to myself that it is the Toaster and not my A2000.
>
>Here is the setup:
>Amiga 2000 rev 6.2, PP&S 040 board with 8 megs of ram, DKB Megachip
upgrade,
>Trumpcard Pro SCSI controller, one 340 meg drive, one 40 meg drive, one
>floppy, one Toaster 4000 board with the 3.0 software.
>
>The computer itself runs flawlessly. No problem with video output. One
>slight problem symptom: The power LED does not light up. In fact, when
>all cards are stripped out of the machine, the LED still does not light up.
>
More? [Y/n/c] >Now the problem:
>When the Toaster is first booted, I get terrible horizontal noise, and I
>mean pure horizontal--straight across the screen, lines of video
>interference. It seems possible connected to (could this be possible?)
>hard disk access but then again, even after the hard disk has settled down,
>the noise persists. Now, wierder still, after a while (maybe 15 minutes)
the
>noise gradually goes away. After the machine has been on for a longer
>period of time, the noise is totally gone.
Sounds like a Computer problem to me too. First off, try the Toaster in
another Amiga if possible to prove to yourself that it is in fact the
Amiga it is plugged into that is the problem.
When you say you try it with all the cards pulled, are you also pulling
the DKB Megachip 2000? These tend to cause some noise problems in some
machines. It sounds to me like your Denise chip is marginal, or your
Agnus. Try running without the DKB MegaChip (assuming you have the
original 1 Meg Agnus on hand) and try changing the Denise also. Also,
check what rev A2000 motherboard you are running. If it is an early
rev 4, look to see if you have 74HCxxx or 74HCTxxx chips running your
video (they are next to the Denise. If they are 74HC chips, you need
More? [Y/n/c] to have the 4.7k resistor packs installed to pull up the video signals
to work with the Toaster.
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Message #1404 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: Sat 20 Nov 93 20:33
From: Alan Chan
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Re: Community Animation
In a message dated 15 Nov 93 22:43:12, Terry Mundy wrote:
TM> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on at
TM> least one thing.
TM> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or
TM> another, in a Toaster net community video?
I'm interested! Anyone else?
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Message #1405 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 20 Nov 93 17:02:44
From: Sam Kanter
To: Mark Warren
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
>Please fogive my 'Butting-in' here, but I think you are in error. I do not
>believe that there is a large portion using S-Video. I believe that
>Toaster users cover a gamut of tape formats. With our urban setting, as a
Do you have any statistics to back up your belief? I've aleays been under
the impression that a large percentage of Toaster users are event
videographers and industrial users who use S-VHS and Hi-8.
>To me, it makes sense to make equiping your Toaster for Y/C as a seperate
>add-on - *if you need it*. I don't see any grounds for the remark that
>NewTek is "stonewalling this important issue."
That does make sense, but unfortunately is impossible with the current
Toaster hardware. Once the signal is composite, it stays composite -- even
if
you can get Y/C cables in and out of it. The Toaster is a composite device.
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Message #1406 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 20 Nov 93 17:04:40
From: Sam Kanter
To: Jimmy Wright
Subj: Re: SAY IT!
>.....What does he stan for??
I'd love to tell you what Limbaugh stans (sic) for, but the topic is off
limit here.
Anyway, like jazz, if you don't know what it is, no one can explain it.
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Message #1407 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 21 Nov 93 23:24:29
From: Rich Koster
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
Hi Sam!
On Sunday, November 14th '93 you wrote to me:
SK> I was advocating selling the registered copy of the
SK> Toaster 3.0 and keeping a backup for my own use. Is this illegal?
Yes, Sam.
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Message #1408 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 22 Nov 93 01:47:57
From: Rich Koster
To: Tim Krego
Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec
Hi Tim!
On Friday, November 19th '93 you wrote to me:
TK> RK> There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for $75
TK> RK> plus $5 for shipping.
TK> RK>
TK> RK> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another
TK> RK> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for
TK> RK> shipping.
TK>
TK> Do you have a special number to order the upgrade? Is this for the 4000
TK> Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded LW.
A thousand pardons, Tim. I meant "Pixel 3D Pro" not "LightWave Pro" (of
which there isn't even such a program!).
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Message #1409 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 20 Nov 93 14:39:58
From: Don Dawson
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: re: Toaster/PC
* Original to: Ron Kramer at 1:228/13
CC'd to: Brian Bonfietti, Jim Greely, Dan Buda, Bill DeBlase (NEC)
On <Nov 20 @07:21> Phil Palumbo (1:141/336) wrote to Don Dawson:
PP> ! Original to Ron Kramer @ 1:228/13.0
PP> * Forwarded 20 Nov 93 07:19:37 by Phil Palumbo @ 1:141/336.0
>>* Original Area: Video
>>* Original From: Don Dawson (1:228/500)
>>* Original To : Ron Kramer (1:228/13)
>>
>>On <Nov 12 @00:13> Ron Kramer (1:228/13) wrote to Don Dawson:
>>
>> RK> Do you understand how it works? `Video` is the *tag* name used
>> RK> only as a
More? [Y/n/c] >>
>>Do YOU understand how it works?
>>
>> RK> lable for mail routing your callers should never see it. Its
>> RK> best kept
>>
>>Echomail is NOT ROUTED. Echomail is echoed.
>>
>> RK> to 8 characters or less. `Video-Toaster` is the area name, the
>> RK> name
>>
>> RK> that sysops should post on their bbs for their callers to see
>> RK> as a description of the echo.
>>
>>They see VIDEO, I see VIDEO. I'm not going to read every &*^% echo
>>to find out if/when a moderator calls it something else.
>>
>> RK> There is no `VIDEO` echo. If the elist has it as a seperate
>> RK> entry
>>
>>THIS IS THE VIDEO ECHO!
>>
More? [Y/n/c] >>B-) Don
>>
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>>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Dear Sysop,
We call him Phil, he's net 141's Net Coordinator. That's why he's the first
one in the nodelist in net 141. The second person in the nodelist in net
141 is our NEC (Net Echomail Coordinator). For your reference:
Host,141,ConnCentral,Milford_CT,Phil_Palumbo,1-203-878-5879,9600,HST,XB,CM
,1,NEC,Woodbury_CT,B_Bonfietti,1-203-263-4542,9600,CM,HST,V32b,V42b,XA
>>I am assuming by your node number that you are your nets NEC. If
>>not please disreguard and pass this on to him/her.
See above.
Perhaps you're confused about NC/NEC because of your net:
More? [Y/n/c] Host,228,West_Michigan_Fido_Net,Grand_Rapids_MI,Bill_DeBlase,1-616-363-237
3,96
,1,Blase,Grand_Rapids_MI,Bill_DeBlase,1-616-363-2373,9600,CM,XA,V32
Although /1 doesn't indicate it's the NEC, the /1 is traditionally the node
number for that role.
>>I have been a sysop since 1980 and a moderator of numerour national
>>echos for nearly 10 years. I have recently had some problems in
When will you be able to read the nodelist so you don't have to address your
message to "Occupant"? More specifically, did my example above demonstrate
how to find the NEC in a net? It's either the sysop that has a /1 node
number or sometimes a UNEC nodelist flag. Like this, for example:
Host,209,Vegas_Net,Las_Vegas_NV,John_Le_Duc,1-702-731-9453,9600,CM,XA,V3
2b,V42,
,1,NEC209,Las_Vegas_NV,Mark_Woolworth,1-702-873-0614,9600,XA,H16,V32b,V4
2b,UNEC
Note however, /1 and UNEC is redundant.
More? [Y/n/c]
>>one of the national echos I moderate. First with a user of a bbs,
>>then when asking the sysop of that system to please instruct his
>>user of proper echo protocol and usage or remove him from the echo
>>I got no help what so ever from this sysop, and a half dozen
>>messages challanging my authority in the echo, and telling us all
>>that he will do as he pleases. I forwarded one to you (above)
Nope...I didn't say I'd do as I pleased. I explained I don't receive the
VIDEO-TOASTER echo of which you're the moderator. I receive the VIDEO echo
which you also moderate.
>>I have always had excellent responce when asking for assistance from
>>sysops who`s users violate echo rules... this sysop is the first to
I always try to be helpful and encourage my callers to abide by the
moderator rules. However, there's a VIDEO-TOASTER echo (which I don't
carry) and you've asked my caller to restrict to VIDEO-TOASTER topics in the
VIDEO echo. I apologize if my confusion has been taken as anything other
than trying to be cooperative.
>>not assist and to take pleasure in adding more off topic posts and
More? [Y/n/c] >> trouble to the echo.
>>(I`m assuming he`s new and quite young)
>>
>>I would appreciate it if you would turn off the
>>`VIDEO-TOASTER` (tagname `VIDEO` echo to/from this troubled node).
Here (again) is the source of my confusion. I don't get the VIDEO-TOASTER
echo yet you want the NEC to cut my feed to VIDEO. What's going on here?
>>He seems to think that my attempts to get his node disconnected from
>>the video echo will be futile. So perhaps you are close friends?
I don't get the VIDEO-TOASTER echo. Why are you trying to cut me from VIDEO?
>>I don`t know nor care. I only hope you handle the job of being NEC
>>better then he handles the job of being a sysop. If you can not
Phil (Occupant) isn't the NEC, Brian Bonfietti is the NEC.
>>help me in this matter, I will move to the next link in the chain
>>and contact your nets supply hub. I`m confident that this won`t be
>>necessary, and truly appreciate your help in the matter.
More? [Y/n/c] >>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Ron R. Kramer
>>228/13
>>moderator `VIDEO-TOASTER` echo.
I don't get the VIDEO-TOASTER echo.
>>Please send some form of response. Either way, Thanks!
PP> ------------------------------------------------------------
PP> First of all, from my node number you should have seen that I am the
PP> NC, not the NEC. I have forwarded your complaint to the NEC. Secondly,
PP> the title of your message to me is Toaster/PC. If what you meant by
PP> the `PC' was "Policy Complaint", then I'm afraid it will not hold
PP> water. The sysop in question, in my opinion, is not violating Policy
PP> in any way.
>>who`s users violate echo rules... this sysop is the first to not
assist and >>to take pleasure in adding more off topic posts and
assist and >>trouble to the echo.
More? [Y/n/c] >>(I`m assuming he`s new and quite young)
PP> This is another wrong assumption. The sysop in question is neither
PP> new, nor is he young. Nor is he considered `troubled'. He is the
PP> former RC of Region 16 and seems to have a penchant for following the
PP> established rules and guidelines quite closely. Usually when he
PP> disagrees on a point it is because he feels that the other person is
PP> doing something contrary to either policy or good sense. In your
PP> specific case, it appears that the valid name for the echo is, in
PP> fact, VIDEO. Now if you want it to be echoed under one name, but
PP> displayed on the boards or referred to in conversation as something
PP> else, then you are introducing the possiblility for confusion and
PP> error. You might consider changing the echo name to VIDEO_TOASTER if
PP> that's what you want it to be referred to.
This is a GREAT idea!
>>I would appreciate it if you would turn off the
>>`VIDEO-TOASTER` (tagname `VIDEO` echo to/from this troubled node).
PP> This request will be referred to the NEC. BTW, is it
PP> VIDEO_TOASTER or VIDEO? An echo can't have two names. You should pick
More? [Y/n/c] PP> one and stick with it to avoid confusion.
>>He seems to think that my attempts to get his node disconnected from
the >>video echo will be futile. So perhaps you are close friends? I
the >>don`t know >nor care.
>> I only hope you handle the job of being NEC better then he handles
the job >>of being a sysop.
PP> He has handled the job of being a sysop quite well for many years. I
PP> believe that he is taking the position that you are adding confusion
PP> to the system by insisting on referring to an echo by two different
PP> names. I strongly suspect that the NEC, REC and ZEC will agree with
PP> his position.
He's confusing me and plenty of other participants in VIDEO. He keeps
scolding them for being off topic. He want's them to talk about
VIDEO-TOASTER which is an entirely seperate echo which I don't get OR WANT
here.
>> If you can not help me in this matter, I will move to the >next
>>link in the chain and contact your nets supply hub. I`m confident
that this
More? [Y/n/c] >>won`t be necessary, and truly appreciate your help in the matter.
PP> When you do contact the ZEC, make sure to clarify to him exactly
PP> what the name of the echo is. You can't have it echoed as one name and
PP> insist that it be listed as another. This is confusing. If you truly
PP> want it to be listed as VIDEO_TOASTER then that's what it should be
PP> officially echoed as. Don't worry about the eight letters. DOS will
PP> truncate that to VIDEO_TO and it will cause less confusion that the
PP> dual name scheme that you are proposing.
>>Please send some form of response. Either way, Thanks!
PP> You have my response. No "Policy Complaint" is appropriate at this
PP> time. I am forwarding your message to the NEC and to Mr. Dawson, along
PP> with my response to the PC.
Thanks Phil. I appreciate your help in trying to clear up the confusion.
I hope I've added value to this exchange.
Happy Thanksgiving!
More? [Y/n/c] B-) Don
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Message #1410 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 19 Nov 93 14:19:19
From: Chris Baugh
To: Ralph Garamozian
Subj: Lightwave Speed Up Tips
On (14 Nov 93) Ralph Garamozian wrote to All...
RG> Unfortunately, Imagine is just not an option. I need to be able to do
RG> lens flare (the sun has to rise behind the product, and as it swoops
You could render just the lens flare in Lightwave, the rest of the
scene in Imagine, and composite the two together.
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Message #1411 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 21 Nov 93 11:49:20
From: Stuart Ragland
To: All
Subj: Amiga Channel BBS
Call 804-733-5596 at 14.4 V.32bis V.42bis 24 hours. We host WWIVnet Video
Toaster Forum. FREE, No ratio for LD callers...
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Message #1412 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 21 Nov 93 21:50:54
From: Ron Kramer
To: Dave Wells
Subj: Full frame TBCs without sync
>
>
DW> How did you syncronize multiple sources? Or were you
DW> using just one V5000 and no other inputs?
I used the V5000 as input #1 to the toaster, I split the video out of the
V5000 and ran the other output to a 2nd TBC sync in, then a 2nd video source
to that TBCs in and out... to the Toaster #2 input. All worked fine except
when rew or ff the V5000, the TBC would then kick off and all would go crazy
until a tape was in play mode again then everything would lock in sync once
again.
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Message #1413 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 22 Nov 93 13:32:04
From: Thomas Hollier
To: Jeff Dehaven
Subj: Math textures for LW
Well, I have heard those rumors too. And I'd just like to say it would make
my life very heavenly. Steve worley is the undisputed master of algorythmic
textures. Essence one was really cool, Essence two almost got me into a car
crash ( I was taking my first look at the manual in the car). Further more,
Imagine's texture interface is somewhat limited. If implemented well in LW,
it should be really incredible...
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Message Command:
Message #1414 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: Sun 21 Nov 93 16:03
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Re: Render Fever?
RK> interested in any HDs in trade for your toaster? I could use a 2nd
RK> board.
Just sold it last night- I've seen some others for sale, tho'. If I hear of
another soon, I'll let you know.
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Message Command:
Message #1415 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: Sun 21 Nov 93 16:06
From: Nancy Kowall
To: All
Subj: FastLane
Be aware that if you put FASTLANE in your 4000, you are gonna have to do
some
tapdancing because of the heat buildup. I have removed all of the possible
'plates' in the rear (to encourage airflow) and keep an A/C on at all times
but am still experiencing some new genlock and 'live feed tearing' problems
as well as LW rendering quirks. Mike Moon, the greatest Sysop in the world,
has suggested a FANCARD which would go into one of the IBM slots ($50)-
sounds like it might work, if it will fit.
Of course, my TBC is "I" but if you have a newer TBC, you are able to change
the parameters to make it run 'cooler'.
Although at this point, it sounds like a heat problem, there is always the
possibilty of ANOTHER b a d Toaster board (my 3rd). (sigh)
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Message Command:
Message #1416 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 22 Nov 93 20:59:54
From: Anthony Caputo
To: Rick Lee
Subj: Toast
RL> low cost solution for many a project. And the
RL> Amiga platform itself is the best
Good for you,I am glad that it making money for you,but saying the the
toaster by some to be "it" for video is a bit too much!!
RL> Take your Toaster flames somewhere else. When you
RL> start signing the paycheck
I think you some guys on this conference cannot take any criticism what so
ever about your machine.I owned two Commodores ,when they first came
out of production,so take your flame and put it out before it burns you.
Lee lighten up a little,its only a computer.
Hope you feel better soon.
Tony
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Message Command:
Message #1417 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 21 Nov 93 08:20:22
From: J Eric Chard
To: Nancy Kowall
Subj: The Average User
*In a message dated Sun 14 Nov 93 9:38 Nancy Kowall writes:
NK> SM> just too impractical a piece of equipment for the average user.
NK>
NK> I think you underestimate the 'average user'- In fact, NewTek has
NK> geared their sales to the average user rather than the
<stuff deleted)
NK> stuff. Some company still needs to hit the right marketing
NK> techniques and take the confusion out of "computer/video purchases"
NK> and THEN they'll strike gold...
I don't know, Nancy. I occasionaly "hunger" for DTP s/w, but I
don't buy it because I know it's a VERY rare thing. I have trouble
believeing there's all that much desire out there.
OTOH, if the Toaster WERE PC compatible, I have no doubt there'd be
More? [Y/n/c] more in the corporate world.....
*FSED91j*
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Message #1418 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 21 Nov 93 08:28:08
From: J Eric Chard
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Re: Lightwave Speed Up Tips
*In a message dated 18 Nov 93 08:30:00 Mike Nielsen writes:
MN> Well, the first thing I would check is your light source. It should
MN> be set
MN> to spot and it you should have shadow map enabled. If not, what you
MN> get is
MN> ray traced shadows, terribly time consuming to render. This is
MN> Lwave's
MN> default and you have to manually switch it to Spot/Shadow Map.
While this is true, TRACE SHADOWS actually defaults to off.
However, if a light is set to SHADOW MAP, you will get shadow-mapped
shadows even while TRACE SHADOWS >>is<< off.
To get the fastest render vis-a-vis shadows, all lights' shadow
types should be set to OFF.
More? [Y/n/c]
Geez, kinda confusing.
Also, play with the AA threshold number. I find the default, "8",
to be 'way too conservative. I usually set it at 15 or 20.
Also2, proper setting of the object shadow attributes can result in
mucho speed increase.
*FSED91jSC 1.3d* Speed kills - Switch to Windows
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Message Command:
Message #1419 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 21 Nov 93 08:34:14
From: J Eric Chard
To: Gregg Mercede
Subj: ToasterLink
*In a message dated 18 Nov 93 15:44:12 Gregg Mercede writes:
GM> I didn't realize they were even considering the Mac.
"Considering"? Toaster Link has been around for a long time.
Kinda ludicrous, except that it allows transparent MAC/Toaster xfer, even
doing the aspect ratio change automagically.
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Message Command:
Message #1420 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 23 Nov 93 04:50:36
From: Joe Cross
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: re: Toaster/PC
SM> Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing more than to see home video
SM> editing become toaster based, but with the need for TBCed VTRs that
SM> the Toaster creates, most folks would still find it cheaper to edit
SM> at home on a pair of AG-1970s, a simple Panasonic A/V mixer, and a
SM> good cam-corder.
Many people purchased the Toaster and do not need TBCs because they're not
outputting their images to videotape. In an old segment on Computer
Chronicles Paul Montgomery and Tim Jenison (sp) indicated that even
teenagers have purchased the Toaster and they've been surprised at the
market that used the Toaster. I have a friend in Philly who uses a Toaster
and has a Sony 5000 camcorder. He likes playing around with the images that
he brings into the Toaster--that's it.
Even Nancy wasn't into heavy video production when she purchased her
Toaster. She explained it sometime back but I forget the full story.
More? [Y/n/c]
[joe]
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Message Command:
Message #1421 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 23 Nov 93 00:33:00
From: Carl Ziegler
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: video asapters
Ron,
Thanks for the info. Will look for your recomendation. Don't own a Video
Toaster yet. When I win the lottery, will buy and let you use too.
Thanks
Carl.
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Message Command:
Message #1422 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 21 Nov 93 18:08:24
From: Terry Mundy
To: All
Subj: Field Rendering
I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was wondering why
the rendered picture has funny lines around an object that is moving?
Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I disable it so that
I can use the output frames for my ads?
Please don't ask me if I RTFM, because I am just looking to buy 3.0
first. If it can't be defeated, I would be very content with LW2.0.
Would anyone like to elaborate on the subject?
You're input please.
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Message Command:
Message #1423 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 20 Nov 93 11:57:07
From: Jim Selleck
To: All
Subj: Re: Hey there Scotty are the
On Wed 17-Nov-1993 1:09a, Carl Ziegler said to Scooter:
CZ> What you been up too?
CZ> Will look for reply later in week. Chow
Uh... its just a WILD guess, sort of an intuitive sort of thing, but I'll
BETCHA fifty cents that this was supposed to be a NETMAIL message. Heh. My
own intelligence really astonishes me sometimes.
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Message Command:
Message #1424 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 21 Nov 93 5:57:43
From: Bill Beogelein
To: Rich Koster
Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade
RK> Ever notice how when you save a frame that the on-air channel flashes?
RK> Moving it to setup means that you can't screw up the on-air signal from
RK> the switcher screen anymore.
What causes this *PROGRAM* out flashing, anyway?
Why can't the Toaster just do a straight "preview to disk" save?
JEC> What Topeka "genius" >>required<< the mouse to be used to
JEC> increment/decrement the counters for Project and Frame,
JEC> AND didn't implement the number pad for those functions {which would
JEC> have been consisitant with the interface} AND doesn't use the +/-
JEC> keys either?)
RK> Have you RTFM? Have you actually tried this? The +/- keys on the
RK> numeric keypad *do* increment animations, framestore images and CG pages.
RK> And then by pressing "Enter" on the keypad you can load them to preview.
More? [Y/n/c]
From the switcher's SETUP screen, how do I load a new project without the
long, horribly slow mouse-scroll method?
JEC> What Topeka "genius"...
... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload
ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the
picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from
memory.
I hate this kind of thinking....
"Oh, you don't need it anymore, at all? Well, you have to go into it, in
order to tell the system that you don't want to go into it in the 1st place."
Ugh.
Double "ugh", for the fact that Toaster v2.0 (and even v1.0!) had a faster
SHIFT-CLICK method than v3.0, but it's now been specifically removed.
I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety".
Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to.
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Message Command:
Message #1425 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 21 Nov 93 15:08:40
From: Jim Selleck
To: Jeff Lindstrom
Subj: Re: Rendering speed
On Thu 18-Nov-1993 12:08p, Jeff Lindstrom said to Jim Selleck:
JL> Is there an aftermarket 040 processor card for the A4000 that will
JL> operate at a reasonable SPEED???
JL> Check with RCS (Toronto, CA, as I recall). They were designing a
JL> 4000-specific accelerator with a 40 MHz 68040. One concern is memory
JL> access speed. Be sure to check on that.
Thanks! It wasn't the clock speed specifically, by the way, according to
my conversation with Lee Stranahan, it seems that a 25 MHz 040 card made by
Commodore/Amiga, just works TWICE AS SLOW as one made by just about any
aftermarket company (same numbers!). He really did not know WHY.
I think he also mentioned an A4000 upgrade processor card called the
"Excalibur" accellerator (I THINK...). Anyone here of that?
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Message Command:
Message #1426 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 08:42:06
From: Barb Hamilton
To: Dave Wells
Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us
Re: the wj-ave5 mixer. It WILL work on the toaster as it has 2 frame
syncs, whereas the MX10 and 12 units have only one. I use my ave5 with my
toaster all the time. There is a correct way to hook up to access both
sync sources, but it is the only unit (lower end) which CAN be used as
substitute TBCs).
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Message Command:
Message #1427 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 22:20:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas
Scott Marlowe toad Mike Nielsen about Toaster problem-any ideasSMQuoting
Mike Nielson:
>I am on my 2nd replacement Toaster and I am perplexed.
>I am reluctant to send this one back until I have isolated the problem
>and proved to myself that it is the Toaster and not my A2000.
>
>Here is the setup:
>Amiga 2000 rev 6.2, PP&S 040 board with 8 megs of ram, DKB Megachip
SMupgrade,
>Trumpcard Pro SCSI controller, one 340 meg drive, one 40 meg drive, one
>floppy, one Toaster 4000 board with the 3.0 software.
>
>The computer itself runs flawlessly. No problem with video output. One
>slight problem symptom: The power LED does not light up. In fact, when
>all cards are stripped out of the machine, the LED still does not light
More? [Y/n/c] SMup.
>
>Now the problem:
>When the Toaster is first booted, I get terrible horizontal noise, and I
>mean pure horizontal--straight across the screen, lines of video
SMSounds like a Computer problem to me too. First off, try the Toaster in
SManother Amiga if possible to prove to yourself that it is in fact the
SMAmiga it is plugged into that is the problem.
I brought home the Toaster 2.0 (old board) from work. It has no problems in
my computer... Sheesh.
SMWhen you say you try it with all the cards pulled, are you also pulling
SMthe DKB Megachip 2000?
No, I can't because I sent in my old Agnus for credit with Grapevine.
SMIt sounds to me like your Denise chip is marginal, or your
SMAgnus. Try running without the DKB MegaChip (assuming you have the
SMoriginal 1 Meg Agnus on hand) and try changing the Denise also.
More? [Y/n/c] I will check this out.
SMAlso,
SMcheck what rev A2000 motherboard you are running. If it is an early
SMrev 4,
No it is 6.2. Thanks for the leads, Scott. The success of the old board in
my computer has me very perplexed. Could there be some wierd problem that
manifests on the new board but not on the old because of some bad components
in my A2000? Right now, that is what I am thinking. The fact that the
power led does not operate is suspicious.
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Message Command:
Message #1428 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 23:23:11
From: Rodney Volkmar
To: Joe Angell
Subj: Re: Problems getting AG-1
JA> I just got a Panasonic 1970 edit deck, one of those nice ones with the
JA> built-in TBC. I hooked it up to my Toaster and got some wierd noise
JA> pattern. It's not like when you hok an ordinary VCR to the Toaster, but
JA> rather some horizontal lines going across the lower portion of the main
You need to do an inturnal setting to get the bandwith out of consumer
mode, simple, but i donnot have the spec's on me..
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Message Command:
Message #1429 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 00:28:11
From: Rodney Volkmar
To: Alan Chan
Subj: Re: Scenery Animator
AC> I've just been playing with a real old program called Scenery Animator
AC> (the UI looks like it comes from way back in the WorkBench1.3 days..)
AC> and was very amazed at the results! It'll load DEM files and allow you
AC> keyframe an animated flythrough of the area, a lot more easier (to me)
AC> than Vistapro ever did..
AC> My question is, is there an update to this program, and does anybody
AC> know how I can import Lightwave scene files or motion graphs into it?
AC> The keyframe facility that comes with Scenery Animator does not support
AC> spline movements, and its settings (scene) files are not in ASCII format
AC> either.. any help out there?
Try scenery animator 2.0, I'll sell my for 35 if you want it, it will load
.GEO
objects.
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Message Command:
Message #1430 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 22 Nov 93 09:04:00
From: Ken Bouchard
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Whats the cheapest Non-Real-T
Well I think it is the same one. Today I will know, make sure it is the same
thing. The one that Sears sells, is made by
Reveal. One wonders what else you can do with this card.
It obviously has some sort of a GenLock to put the TV video into sync with
your VGA.
I can tell that it definitely, does direct access to the VGA, as you can
tell the picture especially when they do a pan, flickers slightly. (Although
it is said to be non-interlaced..)
So therefore, it is not just taking over the VGA card, but sending the info
on to it. So almost any capture program can take advantage of it.
They put a lot of nice features into the thing, overall...
It's a lot more than just a TV set...
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Message Command:
Message #1431 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 01:33:17
From: Terry Mundy
To: Scott Pessoni
Subj: Ferral Micro 4:2:2 for sale
Scott,
I know this is the Video_Toaster echo to I would like to direct your
attention to the Amiga_4 sale echo.
I will tell you what I have that may be of great interest to you!
Terry
PS sorry Ron, but am heading for the proper echo! Okay?
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Message #1432 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 23 Nov 93 02:00:18
From: Terry Mundy
To: Jeff Dehaven
Subj: Rumor
So tell me what that external math calculations stuff means anyway.
I don't have Imagine. But if it's what I think it is, that will be
neat to have 25 pictures on my hard drive and be able to use them All
in my animation without the need for extra RAM.
If this is true, all I've got to say is "Way to go Allen!"
Terry
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Message Command:
Message #1433 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 24 Nov 93 07:11:38
From: Rich Koster
To: Bill Beogelein
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Hi Bill!
On Sunday, November 21st '93 you wrote to me:
BB> What causes this *PROGRAM* out flashing, anyway?
I'm a Toaster owner, not a Toaster programmer! ;-)
BB> RK> The +/- keys on the numeric keypad *do* increment animations,
BB> RK> framestore images and CG pages. And then by pressing "Enter"
BB> RK> on the keypad you can load them to preview.
BB>
BB> From the switcher's SETUP screen, how do I load a new project without
BB> the long, horribly slow mouse-scroll method?
Since you are now not disputing that this is possible for animations,
More? [Y/n/c] framestore images and CG pages, I guess you've actually tried it now
since you posted your first message saying it was *not* possible! ;-)
Notice that I did not include Projects in the above list of what can be
selected from the numeric keypad.
BB> JEC> What Topeka "genius"...
BB>
BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload
BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the
BB> picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from
BB> memory.
I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works for me
on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I don't know
why you can't get it to work.
BB> I hate this kind of thinking....
BB> "Oh, you don't need it anymore, at all? Well, you have to go into it,
BB> in order to tell the system that you don't want to go into it in the 1st
BB> place." Ugh.
BB>
More? [Y/n/c] BB> Double "ugh", for the fact that Toaster v2.0 (and even v1.0!) had a
BB> faster SHIFT-CLICK method than v3.0, but it's now been specifically
BB> removed.
Not on mine.
But have you noticed that you no longer have to Double-Click to start up
a crouton once you are inside the Toaster? This makes things much faster!
(Like a nanosecond! ;-) You now just have to single click (even when
the following weren't loaded into memory already): Paint, CG, 3D, Modeller,
and ChromaFX.
BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety".
BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to.
Sounds like you need to wear a helmet when you operate the Toaster, Bill!
I don't know why you say these things don't work when they actually do...
:)
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Message Command:
Message #1434 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 13:03:26
From: Sam Kanter
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
>You're right. I've tested this. Have a friend who had both pieces of
>software installed on his A2000 (Toaster 4000, first 29 disks, and
>Toaster 3.0, 29 disks also) We were using his old T2000 while waiting
>for his T4000 to come back from repairs. T2000 ONLY worked on 3.0,
-More-
Hmmmm... interesting, Scott. Any comments from double-up customers who are
selling their 3.0 versions??? (Ron?)
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Message Command:
Message #1435 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 13:09:19
From: Sam Kanter
To: Coniah Chuang
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
>After discussions with DPS and professional VTR suppliers, it is clear that
>the problem with using a composite signal with the Video Toaster is not the
>TBC or the Video Toaster, but with the record deck. The filtering required
>to convert the composite signal back into its Y/C components may degrade the
>signal by as much as 25%, depending on the quality of the decks. The
>combination of the decoding and writing to tape is the cause of the majority
>of the degradation, not the cable type.
Coniah, I find this interesting but a little unclear. What kind of system
are you talking about (source/record decks, composite/Y/C)?
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Message Command:
Message #1436 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 22 Nov 93 7:28:48
From: PETER Greci
To: All
Subj: Wassup?
Howdy Folks. Any new Screamer info out there??
PETER GRECI
MIDGARD GRAPHICS Phone 718-714-1423 Creators of 3D Animation and Special FX.
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Message Command:
Message #1437 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 22 Nov 93 11:22:24
From: Jim Selleck
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
On Sun 14-Nov-1993 1:00a, Sam Kanter said to Rich Koster:
SK> You'thinks wrong. I was advocating selling the registered copy of the
SK> Toaster 3.0 and keeping a backup for my own use. Is this illegal?
SK> I'm sure this is what the other users had in mind...
Sam, as a software publisher, I can tell you that it MIGHT be prohibited,
but "it depends". Generally, when you buy software and then SELL any
version of it to someone else, you are transferring to them your RIGHT TO
USE that software (ALL versions of it) as well as the physical byte patterns
and docs.
However, it is up to the publisher of that software to make the specific
rules. Therefore, only NewTek can say what the answer to this question is.
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Message #1438 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 24 Nov 93 07:39:35
From: KENNETH GUNTON
To: RON KRAMER
Subj: Full frame TBCs without s
If you take the preview output of the Toaster and tee it into the
genlock of each TBC, everything will be locked up, and it should work
even in fast forward or rewind. What kind of TBC do you have? Have you
seen the new Feral Effect with compression (PIP)?
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Message Command:
Message #1439 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 24 Nov 93 18:24:18
From: Ben Spicher
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Aspect Ratio Change...
From AMi 2 Mac... What is it anyways?
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Message Command:
Message #1440 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 24 Nov 93 18:53:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Re: Lightwave Speed Up Tips
J Eric Chard "toad" Mike Nielsen about Lightwave Speed Up Tips:
JE> While this is true, TRACE SHADOWS actually defaults to off.
Yes, that is right, so you get no shadows at all. I forgot about that.
JE>However, if a light is set to SHADOW MAP, you will get shadow-mapped
JE>shadows even while TRACE SHADOWS >>is<< off.
Well, that makes sense, doesn't it?
JE> To get the fastest render vis-a-vis shadows, all lights' shadow
JE>types should be set to OFF. *
But that would give you no shadows at all, would it? Are you using
vis-a-vis in a new way that I don't understand
More? [Y/n/c]
JE> Geez, kinda confusing.
Yes, now I am perplexed...
JE> Also, play with the AA threshold number. I find the default, "8"
JE>to be 'way too conservative. I usually set it at 15 or 20.
Ah ha. There is a good tip. I just went over to the Toaster and tested
this one out. That sped up a simple render by 4 seconds. Thanks.
JE> Also, proper setting of the object shadow attributes can result
JE>mucho speed increase.
Yep. I knew this but I left it out. I thought they guy wanted to at least
get the scene sped up somewhat. I think going from RT to SM would be the
first and biggest step towards faster rendering.
BTW, thanks for the other tips. Can you explain * above a bit more?
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Message Command:
Message #1441 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 18:45
From: Alan Chan
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Re: ToasterLink
In a message dated 21 Nov 93 08:34:14, J Eric Chard wrote:
JEC> "Considering"? Toaster Link has been around for a long
JEC> time.
JEC> Kinda ludicrous, except that it allows transparent MAC/Toaster xfer,
JEC> even
JEC> doing the aspect ratio change automagically.
Which reminds me to ask.. has anyone heard of ToasterLink for the 3.0 / 4000
yet? Ever since I saw the Photoshop in action I've been CRAVING a Mac to tie
into my Toaster... (schwing!) How 'bout file formats? Does Toasterlink
convert, like, framestores to something Photoshop-readable? Anybody know?
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Message #1442 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 18:48
From: Alan Chan
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Re: Field Rendering
In a message dated 21 Nov 93 18:08:24, Terry Mundy wrote:
TM> I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was wondering why
TM> the rendered picture has funny lines around an object that is moving?
TM> Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I disable it so that
TM> I can use the output frames for my ads?
Simple, there's a button on the Camera menu to enable/disable Field
Rendering..
'course, you will now get six thousand messages from everyone else telling
you the same thing.. funny thing, cyberspace..
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Message #1443 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 18:50
From: Alan Chan
To: Bill Beogelein
Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade
In a message dated 21 Nov 93 5:57:43, Bill Beogelein wrote:
BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety".
BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to.
It was done for your own safety.
(Actually it looks more like a very obvious bug to me.)
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Message #1444 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 18:54:36
From: Ron Kramer
To: PETER Greci
Subj: Re: "LightWave PRO"
PG> Hmmm, I saw the Anim oif the Windmill on a local BBS, I
PG> think it was here on Trade N Post. About 1 meg file.
PG> ---
I did a search for it here on my board and there it was... I got so much
online I can`t keep track of it. thanks for the note. The anim is cool.
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Message Command:
Message #1445 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 24 Nov 93 17:47:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Field Rendering
-> I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was wondering why
-> the rendered picture has funny lines around an object that is moving?
-> Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I disable it so that
-> I can use the output frames for my ads?
The default setting in the camera menu is with field rendering off. If
it is on simply turn it off.
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Message Command:
Message #1446 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 24 Nov 93 18:59:34
From: Michael Eng
To: Mark Warren
Subj: Re: Toaster 4000 Bug????
Thanks for the reply
-Mike-
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Message Command:
Message #1447 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 26 Nov 93 18:08:25
From: Karl Feltner
To: Kenneth Gunton
Subj: Re: Full frame TBCs without s
How do you avoid double termination of the signal with tee adapters??
I have called Ferral at least three times and the PIP is still
vaporware. In fact the two people I spoke to didn't know what Arexx
was.
I think it will be a while before we see the PIP TBC.
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Message Command:
Message #1448 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 09:46:16
From: J Eric Chard
To: Tim Krego
Subj: No Upgrade
*In a message dated 19 Nov 93 21:00:21 Tim Krego writes:
TK> RK> There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for
TK> $75
TK> RK> plus $5 for shipping.
TK> RK>
TK> RK> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another
TK> RK> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for
TK> RK> shipping.
TK>
TK> Do you have a special number to order the upgrade? Is this for the
TK> 4000 Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded
TK> LW.
Take a deeeeppppp breath. The original poster meant "Pixel Pro",
not "Lightwave Pro", which of course doesn't exist.
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Message Command:
Message #1449 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 23 Nov 93 19:39:04
From: Terry Mundy
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: Re: Community Animation
*In a message dated 20 Nov 93 12:06:11 Dan Bloomfield writes:
> -> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on
> at
> -> least one thing.
> ->
> -> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or
> -> another, in a Toaster net community video?
> ->
> -> What I mean by that is, everyone will submit something to an
> -> animation then pass it on to the next person for scene motion. If
> -> you feel like it an object can be donated if your a little shy on
> the
> -> creativity of motion or just don't have the time.
> ->
> -> We may not agree on all things, but we all DO frequent this board,
More? [Y/n/c] > -> and I believe that we should be able to put together a very
> -> tremendous looking animation.
> The local guys around here have talked about doing some kind of
> project
> for next years Siggraph show but so far that's all it is- talk. To
> get a
> large group of people even locally to co-operate together and
> actually
> deliver on what they say they will do is very hard. My feeling is
> that
> great works of art are never produced by committee, they are the
> vision
> of a single artist.
> --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta
I think I understand. Here in the Heart of America, thing are slow,
and so are people. I just was wanting all of us to pitch in and have
some little part in a small animatition by us Toaster_Users.
Maybe it can still happen. I'll leave the message around a little
while longer to see what other people have to say.
More? [Y/n/c] Terry
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Message #1450 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 24 Nov 93 23:05:23
From: Terry Mundy
To: Alan Chan
Subj: Re: Community Animation
>*In a message dated 15 Nov 93 22:43:12, Terry Mundy wrote:
TM> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together
TM> on at least one thing.
TM> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or
TM> another, in a Toaster net community video?
>*In a message dated Sat 20 Nov 93 20:33 Alan Chan responds:
AC> I'm interested! Anyone else?
Thanks Alan!
I should mention that what I had in mind was a community video
animation. Hope you and others are interested enough that we may see
this take off! eh?
More? [Y/n/c]
Terry
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Message Command:
Message #1451 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 25 Nov 93 13:57:48
From: Rich Koster
To: Alan Chan
Subj: re: ToasterLink
Hi Alan!
On Wednesday, November 24th '93 you wrote to J Eric Chard:
AC> Which reminds me to ask.. has anyone heard of ToasterLink for the 3.0
AC> / 4000 yet?
Mark Randall announced here on this echo that it was being worked on and
would be released, but no release date has been announced yet.
AC> How 'bout file formats? Does Toasterlink convert, like, framestores
AC> to something Photoshop-readable?
Hold onto something, Alan... ;-) Yes, it converts these during transfer,
automatically! :)
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Message Command:
Message #1452 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 25 Nov 93 13:59:02
From: Rich Koster
To: Alan Chan
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Hi Alan!
On Wednesday, November 24th '93 you wrote to Bill Beogelein:
AC> In a message dated 21 Nov 93 5:57:43, Bill Beogelein wrote:
AC>
AC> BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety".
AC> BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to.
AC>
AC> It was done for your own safety.
AC>
AC> (Actually it looks more like a very obvious bug to me.)
He wrote that you could not unload ToasterPaint by Shift-Clicking the
Paint button in Toaster 4000.
More? [Y/n/c] Not true. You can.
So how can that be a bug?
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Message Command:
Message #1453 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 25 Nov 93 11:45:20
From: Chris Baugh
To: Gregg Mercede
Subj: Toaster/PC
On (18 Nov 93) Gregg Mercede wrote to Chris Baugh...
GM> I didn't realize they were even considering the Mac.
Toaster for the Mac is simply a standard Video Toaster in an Amiga,
plus software only for the Mac to put the Toaster's control panel on
the Mac's monitor, and transfer graphics files between the two
machines. Newtek hasn't announced anything about hardware for the
Mac itself to have the card doing the video processing. There are
similar cards for the Mac, but they cost a lot more have different
kinds of features than the Toaster.
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Message Command:
Message #1454 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 25 Nov 93 11:47:21
From: Chris Baugh
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Saturation of a pixel
On (19 Nov 93) J Eric Chard wrote to Chris Baugh...
JE> min=minimum(r,g,b)
JE> max=maximum(r,g,b)
JE> saturation= (max-min)/max
As you said:
JE> No duh.
<g>
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Message Command:
Message #1455 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 13:43
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
SK> You'thinks wrong. I was advocating selling the registered copy of the
SK> Toaster 3.0 and keeping a backup for my own use. Is this illegal?
SK> I'm sure this is what the other users had in mind...
That is exactly my ethical dilemma at the moment- it SEEMS like it should be
OK but I KNOW it is wrong... (sigh)
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Message #1456 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 13:47
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Tim Krego
Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec
TK> 4000 Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded
TK> LW.
I am getting more and more fed up with NewTek's attitude- I am AGAIN having
trouble trouble with my THIRD Toaster_4000 board after installing FastLane
and called them to see if they had any suggestions. They didn't want to
listen to anything- just kept saying "we'll send a new board...". Then
promised a callback for a cross-ship authorization which never came. ANyway,
the board settled down altho' I am keeping a jaded eye on it. Seemed to me a
HEAT problem which we may have solved by removing extra plates in the back
of the 4000 and keeping the a/c on even in November! (shiver)
They have no real tech support anymore ....
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Message #1457 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 13:53
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Joe Cross
Subj: re: Toaster/PC
JC> Even Nancy wasn't into heavy video production when she purchased her
JC> Toaster. She explained it sometime back but I forget the full story.
Actually, we bought it to complete a "video term paper" that my kid got me
into- from there we have gone into a dozen or so more videos- some pretty
decent (toot, toot) for various people (a movie guy, a grieving family,
historical tape, architectural tape, birthday memorabilia for an 80 yr-old,
etc) but have yet to C H A R G E any money (or MAKE any money)!
There Is money to be made and I am still hoping that my kid (19) will
begin to smell the money and take off with it- I see tremendous
opportunities available...
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Message Command:
Message #1458 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 14:02
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Re: Toaster problem-any ideas
MN> camera on input one, and with TBC video on input one; none of these
MN> has any
MN> influence on the problem.
MN> I have also tried adjusting the horizontal sync on the Toaster (the
MN> little
MN> pot on the board). I can screw it up pretty well, but when I move it
MN> back
MN> to what seems to be the best position in terms of picture quality,
MN> the
MN> problem persists.
MN> I know I can just send it in and get a replacement but right now I
MN> want to
MN> prove to myself that the problem is not in my computer. Strange
MN> problem,
More? [Y/n/c] MN> no?
Not so strange if you are trying to use a MULTI-SYNC monitor- but it
couldn't be that simple. I empathize with you regardless. 1950's etal need
SYNC-STRAINER- just a thought...
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Message Command:
Message #1459 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 26 Nov 93 00:06:52
From: Rich Koster
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Hi Dan!
On Thursday, November 25th '93 you wrote to me:
DB> -> I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works
DB> -> for me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I
DB> -> don't know why you can't get it to work.
DB> I have the same annoying problem. This may be a bug in the 3.0 software
DB> for the 2000. Since you are running the 4000 software and it still works
DB> the way it used to.
Well, that sounds like what's going on. Have you guys contacted NewTek?
I here revised software will be shipped out soon, so it would be nice
for those in your boat to be sure they know about the bug.
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Message Command:
Message #1460 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 22 Nov 93 11:22:00
From: Vinny Lopez
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Toaster problem-any idea
MN>When the Toaster is first booted, I get terrible horizontal noise, and I
MN>mean pure horizontal--straight across the screen, lines of video
MN>interference. It seems possible connected to (could this be possible?)
hard
MN>disk access but then again, even after the hard disk has settled down, the
MN>noise persists. Now, wierder still, after a while (maybe 15 minutes) the
MN>noise gradually goes away. After the machine has been on for a longer
MN>period of time, the noise is totally gone.
Hmm, Sounds like you've got a solder joint somewhere that is expanding
as the unit heats up, and makes a complete connection eliminating the
problem. The big question is where is it? Since it involves the toaster,
could it be on the motherboard at the video slot connector? just guessin
here.
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Message Command:
Message #1461 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 25 Nov 93 10:35:22
From: Ron Kramer
To: John Fluharty
Subj: Video machine
JF> stand a little competition? I thought competition made
JF> companys improve products. Sorta like free trade.
JF> Open the markets. To bad this subboard is not on
JF> video. It is on Amiga Toaster Video only. Can anyone
JF> tell me where I can find a Video subbaord that is really a video
subboard.
You can do like we did and start one. The reason we don`t want to talk
video machine, isn`t because we can`t take the competition, but rather we
don`t care to pay for or wade through messages that we personally have no
interest in. I started this echo over 2 years ago. We voted and spun off a
video-toaster echo from the Amiga_video echo last summer and this is where
it landed. Apparently some folks can`t seem to handle the fact that its
called video, in short for video-toaster. If they must see it in writing
then we will make the change in the near future. (as Im able to find the
More? [Y/n/c] time) Again to answer your question you can start a video-machine echo, or
you could slide over to PRO-VIDEO which is another video type echo. Good
luck in your quest.
mod.
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Message Command:
Message #1462 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 25 Nov 93 10:44:12
From: Ron Kramer
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Field Rendering
TM> I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was
TM> wondering why the rendered picture has funny lines
TM> around an object that is moving?
TM> Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I
It can as an option yes. In animation it makes them much smoother.
TM> disable it so that I can use the output frames for my ads?
Yup
TM> Please don't ask me if I RTFM, because I am just
TM> looking to buy 3.0 first. If it can't be defeated, I
It can, so buy the upgrade and you`ll find it in the FM. One can`t be to
carefull these days with LRave floating around.
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Message Command:
Message #1463 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 25 Nov 93 10:48:20
From: Ron Kramer
To: Joe Cross
Subj: re: Toaster/PC
SM> good cam-corder.
JC> Many people purchased the Toaster and do not need TBCs
JC> because they're not outputting their images to
JC> videotape.
Out putting doesn`t require a TBC, inputing any taped video into the toaster
does. You can input from live camera or TV without a TBC.
JC> have a friend in Philly who uses a Toaster and has a
JC> Sony 5000 camcorder. He likes playing around with the
JC> images that he brings into the Toaster--that's it.
the V5000 camcorder has a built in TBC. So a external TBC is not required
with this unit. I sold mine last spring - and sorry I did... its a
excellent cam-corder.
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Message Command:
Message #1464 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 23 Nov 93 13:53:00
From: Rick Lee
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Y/c And component
On 11-20-93 SAM KANTER wrote to MARK WARREN...
SK> videographers and industrial users who use S-VHS and Hi-8.
Sam, I use S-VHS and HI-8, I also use D2, 1 inch, BetaCam SP, 3/4SP, MII.
I have done everything from consumer video, industrial and broadcast video.
I have the advantage of having access to all these formats because my studio
is in a duplication house. (I used to work for them until the Toaster opened
up the door for my own business). D2 is a composite format, as well as 1
inch.
1 inch has been the dominant broadcast format for alot of years and is still
in wide use. Component formats were invented to help with generational loss
in the editing process. But when the edited master is broadcast 90% of what
you
see is coming out of a composite signal no matter what the format. This to
is
More? [Y/n/c] changing but alot of TV and cable broadcasters can't afford to buy component
switchers and DA's. The point is composite video was the only type available
until the last few years. There is nothing wrong with a good composite
signal.
SK> That does make sense, but unfortunately is impossible with the current
SK> Toaster hardware. Once the signal is composite, it stays composite --
SK> even
SK> if you can get Y/C cables in and out of it. The Toaster is a composite
SK> device.
You are correct that the Toaster itself is a composite I/O device. However
the video signal is handled in the digital domain internally. It uses the
same
type of digital signal that D2 uses. When an external transcoder is used
such
as Y/C Plus it hooks directly up to the digital buss. Thus the Toaster is
now
a Y/C device. This is not true component however. I thought I heard
somewhere
that some one was coming out with a true component transcoder for the
Toaster
More? [Y/n/c] that would hook up to the internal digital buss. If this is true the Toaster
would then become a true component device. But I can say that when I have
run
1st generation BetaCam SP tapes thru using the composite inputs the end
results
were great. Alot of people don't realize that you must have good footage to
start with. This means making sure video levels are properly set and using
good lighting techniques. A good TBC and waveform/vector scope are essential
for good video as well.
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Message Command:
Message #1465 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Thu 25 Nov 93 12:48
From: Alan Chan
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
In a message dated 24 Nov 93 07:11:38, Rich Koster wrote:
BB> JEC> What Topeka "genius"...
BB>
BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload
BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the
BB> picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from
BB> memory.
RK> I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works
RK> for me
RK> on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I don't
RK> know
RK> why you can't get it to work.
Hmm.. mebbe we need to keep reminding each other what systems we're
running.. I have an old Toaster card with new software, and I have that same
More? [Y/n/c] problem. I assume 4000 software does not have that bug..
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Message Command:
Message #1466 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 25 Nov 93 09:07:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Daniel Thomas
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas?
Thanks, Daniel. I notice that when I tap the power supply, the problem
manifests. I tapped other components and nothing happens. Also, the fact
that my power led will not light suggests something is wrong. Strange that
it
does not manifest on the old board that I have (I brought an old Toaster
board
home from work as a test.)
Right now, the power supply does indeed appear to be the culprit. I am going
to do one more test where I take the new Toaster into work and install it in
that machine and look at the output.
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Message Command:
Message #1467 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 26 Nov 93 01:28:08
From: Mark Weiss
To: Thomas Couey
Subj: Re: Amiga
TC> I have a 486DX2 66, and I can vouch for that 10 fps at
TC> 640X480... Jeez it's slow... (This is with Video for
TC> Windows...)
That's because your memory is runing at 33 mhz and so is your secondary
cache RAM. You also need a video card with a faster, wider bandwidth. FYI,
we've been running 812x632 animations on a 1280x1024x24-bit display for the
past month at 30fps, verifyable by videotape frame-by frame analysis. We're
doing this on a true DX-50Mhz machine with a local bus at 50mhz and enough
RAM to hold the 4 second animation.
Mark
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Message #1468 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 20:27
From: Ralph Garamozian
To: Chris Baugh
Subj: Re: Lightwave Speed Up Tips
In a message dated 19 Nov 93 14:19:19, Chris Baugh wrote:
CB> You could render just the lens flare in Lightwave, the rest of the
CB> scene in Imagine, and composite the two together.
I think that would be kind of hard to synchronize together. Interesting idea
though... I'll have to think about it.
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Message #1469 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Fri 26 Nov 93 9:03
From: Alan Chan
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Re: Community Animation
In a message dated 24 Nov 93 23:05:23, Terry Mundy wrote:
TM> I should mention that what I had in mind was a community video
TM> animation. Hope you and others are interested enough that we may see
TM> this take off! eh?
I'm game if you get enough people together. It'll be a long drawn-out
affair, I bet, 'cos of distance and everything, but it'd be interesting...
keep me informed! =)
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Message #1470 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: Fri 26 Nov 93 9:06
From: Alan Chan
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
In a message dated 25 Nov 93 13:59:02, Rich Koster wrote:
RK> On Wednesday, November 24th '93 you wrote to Bill Beogelein:
AC> In a message dated 21 Nov 93 5:57:43, Bill Beogelein wrote:
AC>
AC> BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety".
AC> BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to.
AC>
AC> It was done for your own safety.
AC>
AC> (Actually it looks more like a very obvious bug to me.)
RK> He wrote that you could not unload ToasterPaint by Shift-Clicking the
RK> Paint button in Toaster 4000.
More? [Y/n/c] RK> Not true. You can.
RK> So how can that be a bug?
As I posted a day or so ago, I think we're all talking about different
software and hardware configurations, which is why we're always arguing
Message #1471 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 26 Nov 93 19:07:43
From: Rich Koster
To: Alan Chan
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Hi Alan!
On Thursday, November 25th '93 you wrote to me:
AC> Hmm.. mebbe we need to keep reminding each other what systems we're
AC> running.. I have an old Toaster card with new software, and I have that
AC> same problem. I assume 4000 software does not have that bug..
That's right. I have the A4000 running Toaster 4000.
Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on NewTek's
back saying that they've done something deliberately... It looks like
this one is just a bug that didn't get squashed yet, not some dire
conspiracy.
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Message #1472 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 26 Nov 93 00:22:41
From: Sam Kanter
To: Barb Hamilton
Subj: Re: PANASONIC VIDEO MIXERS US
Re WJAVE-5... I recommend John Cooksy'e WJAVE-5 luminance enhancer. It gives
luminance control and actually ADDS 60 lines of resolution to the WJAVE-5,
with no additional noise...
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Message #1473 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 25 Nov 93 15:08:21
From: Joe Freeman
To: Mark Weiss
Subj: Re: Toast
MW> Well, agreed there. There is a kind of fanaticism shared by Amiga
MW> users that one can only compare with Islamic Fundamentalism in terms of
MW> the amount of intolorance of other's platforms.
MW> I priced out a system last year at a dealer in Woodbury called
MW> InfoTronics and although it was a nice toy that can do some interesting
MW> things for very little $$$, I wouldn't attempt to do network production
MW> on it. You should follow me over to the OS-Debate echo, where an
MW> interesting discussion about this matter is currently in progress.
It's true that there are a lot of solutions for video work on all the
platforms
at all different price ranges and different functionality....Even on the
Amiga
there are other ways to get there from here.. For years I used dctv for
realtime
More? [Y/n/c] playback in full ntsc of my animations and my clients loved it....
The point is that most of the video work that we do down here in the
trenches is
not for broadcast TV.. I have a few things that have gone on to the cable
system
for the general public but most of the work an amiga animator does is
logo/product demo/instructional/training aid graphics that don't go any
farther
than 3/4 or hi 8 master and then to vhs copies... This is the real world.
Most videographers that have been in it a while don't feel that comfortable
with
computers for graphics at all.. They just about can use a machine for billing
and correspondence..There a are a lot of new houses that are small and are
using
Toasters but are not primarily computer graphic friendly.
The toaster has been successful in this market because it gives a well
rounded
package of functionality if you want it.. Every module is worth the price of
the
entire unit and the package blows away anything else on any other platform in
it's price range. Cheaper options on other platforms are workable but so
limited
More? [Y/n/c] that they are not wise investments for the general video house..
I have been reading here about some off topic options for full motion video
on
486's and I would direct you to check out the specs on a product for Amiga
called The Personal Animation Recorder. With the dedicated hard drive it is
about 2200frns and it will do full motion video at 30fps in 24bit/JPEG
realtime
playback directly off it's hard drive...That is at FULL Overscan.. The
storage
on the hd is about about 5-7 minute of unique video frames and more if you
put
the same frames together in different ways.. This blows away any of the lame
MAC
or Beem "movie stuff out there (which is fine for some teleconferencing and
presentation kiosks but not much use for any real world video)
The Video Junky
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Message #1474 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 26 Nov 93 00:56:46
From: Jimmy Wright
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Say it!
SK>>.....What does he stan for??
SK>
SK>I'd love to tell you what Limbaugh stans (sic) for, but the topic is
SK>off limit here.
SK>
SK>Anyway, like jazz, if you don't know what it is, no one can explain
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..
well why can we talk...
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Message #1475 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 27 Nov 93 01:44:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
No I haven't contacted NewTek, I don't use ToasterPaint enough for it to
be more than a minor irritation.
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Message #1476 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 26 Nov 93 10:24:58
From: Joe Cross
To: John Fluharty
Subj: Video machine
JF> Why is the moderator so hung up on not allowing Video Machine posts?
JF> Change the title of the subboard to Toaster Video and I can see his
JF> point. Our high school just bought a Video Machine and we would like
JF> to talk to aother people that have one. So I find an echo called video
JF> which appears to be for video of all types and the moderator keeps
JF> telling people they are not allowed to talk about the video machine.
JF> Is the toaster that bad that it can't stand a little competition? I
JF> thought competition made companys improve products. Sorta like free
JF> trade. Open the markets. To bad this subboard is not on video. It is
JF> on Amiga Toaster Video only. Can anyone tell me where I can find a
JF> Video subbaord that is really a video subboard.
Nice that your high school uses a PC. There is the Pro-Video Echo that may
or may not contain discussions of the Video Machine. I haven't visited that
Echo but once and although I do not own a Toaster I enjoy this Echo very
much.
More? [Y/n/c]
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Message #1477 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 27 Nov 93 08:14:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Vinny Lopez
Subj: Toaster problem-any idea
Thanks for the reply Vinny. The problem is getting worse. I have decided
to
start with the power supply. I ordered a Big Foot 300 watt. I am going to
see if that fixes it. I suspect it will. If that doesn't work, I will do a
motherboard swap with R&C, the repair place the advertises in Amiga World.
I figure even if it not the PS, at least I will have a better PS when I am
finished. I noticed that when I tap the PS lightly, the problem immediately
shows on the Toaster output screen. If I tap the MB, I do get the same
immediate response.
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Message #1478 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 26 Nov 93 12:27:04
From: Ron Kramer
To: Barb Hamilton
Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us
BH> sync sources, but it is the only unit (lower end) which CAN be used as
BH> substitute TBCs).
the mx10 and 12 can be used as one TBC on the toaster, the AVE5 can be used
as both yes, but the quality is less then standalone TBCs, The quality on
even the mx10 was fine for VHS but would degrade any high quality/res video.
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Message #1479 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 26 Nov 93 12:32:02
From: Ron Kramer
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Ferral Micro 4:2:2 for sale
TM> PS sorry Ron, but am heading for the proper echo! Okay?
No problem Terry! - it the items are of interest to video-toaster users
(TBCs, VIDEO stuff) then feel free to post them to the toaster users here as
well.
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Message #1480 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 27 Nov 93 15:05:11
From: Mark Woollard
To: All
Subj: ToasterFX
-> I unsuccessfully tried calling Byrd's Eye Software, maker of
-> ToasterFX at the Austin Tx number that worked a couple of months ago.
-> I wanted to know when it would be shipping (if not already).
->
-> Does anyone have a new number for the company, or have any up-to-date
-> info on the product's status? (The old number was 512 835-4811.)
To answer my own question, Byrd's Eye Software is reachable by phone at
(512) 794-8250.
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Message Command:
Message #1481 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 27 Nov 93 13:11:48
From: Jeff Dallacqua
To: Mark Weiss
Subj: Re: Amiga
MW> TC> I have a 486DX2 66, and I can vouch for that 10 fps at
MW> TC> 640X480... Jeez it's slow... (This is with Video for
MW> TC> Windows...)
MW>That's because your memory is runing at 33 mhz and so is your secondary
cac
MW>RAM. You also need a video card with a faster, wider bandwidth. FYI, we've
MW>been running 812x632 animations on a 1280x1024x24-bit display for the past
MW>month at 30fps, verifyable by videotape frame-by frame analysis. We're
doin
MW>this on a true DX-50Mhz machine with a local bus at 50mhz and enough RAM
to
MW>hold the 4 second animation.
Just wanted to point out that Video for Windows is not a good way at all
to measure animation capabilitys. It doesn't even write directly to the
More? [Y/n/c] frame buffer for crying out loud! And also, the .AVI format uses
some type of compression method so whenever it is played back, the CPU
has to decompress it on-the-fly.
One more thing, remember that with that type of system, they're updating
the whole picture every frame per second while animations done, with
say, Autodesk Animator only update the the actual changes(Let's say you
crete a .FLI of a ball, bouncing around on a non-changing background.
When playing it back, the only thing that will be updated is the ball
and the background it passes over). Don't they refer to the "change
rate" of an animation by it's Delta rate or something?
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Message #1482 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 27 Nov 93 10:02:21
From: Barb Hamilton
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: PANASONIC VIDEO MIXERS US
Will have to check out Cooksey's luminance enhancer. I have both of his
tapes on the Digital Mixer and he is a very creative person. In spite of
what many people think, the AVE5 does work fine as a tbc for the toaster,
tho it would be nice if the bandwidth were greater. :)
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Message #1483 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 26 Nov 93 11:26:04
From: Grady Third
To: All
Subj: 3000/Toaster Wanted
I am in need of the following:
Amiga 3000 with:
25Mhz, minimum 105MB HD, minimum 6 MB RAM
Video Toaster 2.0 with 2.0 software
If you have any of the above, please call Grady Third
at (808) 833-8966 so we can negotiate a price and get
it delivered as soon as possible.
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Message #1484 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 21 Nov 93 11:21:02
From: Joe Freeman
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: 3.0
RK> Hi J!
RK> On Thursday, November 11th '93 you wrote to me:
JEC> RK> been improved, in-sync sound accompanies some of the dramatic
JEC> RK> new effects
JEC> ^^^^^^^^^
JEC> ??? Is this true of Toaster 2000's?
RK> Amiga 2000s running Toaster 3.0? I don't know. Anyone here have that
RK> set up? I've got the Toaster 4000 in my Amiga 4000, so sorry, I can't
RK> help you there.
I have the VT4000 card in an A2000 running GVP 040/33. It works fine.. The
audio effects sound fine.. I don't get the last two banks of effects.. the
effects I do get are better than the old one I used with the 2.0 set up at
More? [Y/n/c] Public Access except for the small square sparkle (that's what I call it)..
The 2.0 even on the slower machine was nicer and lass computerlike. The new
one seems to choke a bit but only I notice and viewers aren't aware as It is
a favorite transition.. I use the Picaso wipe as much as plain fade. I have
seen 4000 in a 4000 set up at a sales show and the effects seemed a bit
nicer
and better animated especially in the "showcase" ones like the Kiki ones. The
realtime playback feature of the fulll 400 toaster has serious limitations
for my video work that were no better than the limitations I have with DCTV
realtime playback sok I used the $ I would have spent on the A4000 on the
GVP,
more memory and big hd with some change left over for utilitiy software. I
made some compromises but I like my setup and the 040/33 is sweet.Video Junky
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Message #1485 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 5)
Date: 27 Nov 93 11:24:30
From: Ron Kramer
To: Kenneth Gunton <Received>
Subj: Full frame TBCs without s
KG> If you take the preview output of the Toaster and tee it into the
KG> genlock of each TBC, everything will be locked up, and it should work
KG> even in fast forward or rewind. What kind of TBC do you have?
Well actually you should run sync to the 2nd TBC from the sync gen, or at
least from the pass thru of the first TBC. But our conversation was using a
built in TBC of a V5000 (with no ext. sync ref in) with the toaster.
KG> seen the new FE ?
Nope, I have DPS units. With you being a dealer of the FE units, please be
careful in your posting. A press release (without phone number or ordering
information could be allowed though.) if posted as informative to the echo
rather then profitable to you or the company you represnet.
thanks.
More? [Y/n/c]
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Message #1486 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 26 Nov 93 12:56:22
From: Bill Beogelein
To: Rich Koster
Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade
RK> The +/- keys on the numeric keypad *do* increment animations,
RK> framestore images and CG pages. And then by pressing "Enter"
RK> on the keypad you can load them to preview.
BB> From the switcher's SETUP screen, how do I load a new project without
BB> the long, horribly slow mouse-scroll method?
RK> Since you are now not disputing that this is possible for animations,
RK> framestore images and CG pages, I guess you've actually tried it now
RK> since you posted your first message saying it was *not* possible!
Did I? Or did I ask about it? Please quote "my 1st msg" where I stated "it
was *not* possible". Works fine for me.
RK> Notice that I did not include Projects in the above list of what can be
RK> selected from the numeric keypad.
More? [Y/n/c]
I definitely noticed. That's why I asked. A simple "...but not the
projects-menu" would have clarified things. (Still don't know if it's
possible, and I'm just overlooking something.)
BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload
BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel
RK> Shift-click still works for
RK> me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used.
RK> I don't know why you can't get it to work.
It removes *ToasterPaint* from memory? A SHIFT+LEFT-MOUSE-CLICK?
(I can't imagine that I'm doing anything wrong.)
I *CAN* remove the CG with a SHIFT+LEFT-MOUSE-CLICK on "CG".
But ToasterPaint just stays when I attemp the same on its icon.
14+ other people have also tried this on this same A2000, Old-Toaster-board,
v3.0 software, WB2.1 that we are using. 100s of times (we keep thinking
about the handy way that this DID work under Toaster v2.0). It's worked 0
times under Toaster v3.0.
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Message #1488 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 26 Nov 93 12:46:26
From: J Eric Chard
To: John Fluharty
Subj: Re: Video machine
*In a message dated 22 Nov 93 18:14:00 John Fluharty writes:
JF> Why is the moderator so hung up on not allowing Video Machine posts?
JF> Change the title of the subboard to Toaster Video and I can see his
JF> point. Our high school just bought a Video Machine and we would
JF> like to talk to aother people that have one. So I find an echo
JF> called video which appears to be for video of all types and the
JF> moderator keeps telling people they are not allowed to talk about
JF> the video machine. Is the toaster that bad that it can't stand a
JF> little competition? I thought competition made companys improve
JF> products. Sorta like free trade. Open the markets. To bad this
JF> subboard is not on video. It is on Amiga Toaster Video only. Can
JF> anyone tell me where I can find a Video subbaord that is really a
JF> video subboard.
Some limitation in tag names apparently. I too would be interested
More? [Y/n/c] in such discussions--apparently no such fido echo exists.
The moderator here is rigid to the point of ridiculousness--he
complains that when this WAS the general-video echo no-one subscribed. Now
that he IS getting the discussions he craved he won't allow them. I
believe his nose is lying on the floor in front of his feet.
Save your flames, all & sundry.
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Message Command:
Message #1489 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 28 Nov 93 09:35:07
From: Rich Koster
To: Bill Beogelein
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Hi Bill!
On Friday, November 26th '93 you wrote to me:
BB> RK> Since you are now not disputing that this is possible for
BB> RK> animations, framestore images and CG pages, I guess you've
BB> RK> actually tried it now since you posted your first message
BB> RK> saying it was *not* possible!
BB>
BB> Did I? Or did I ask about it? Please quote "my 1st msg" where I
BB> stated "it was *not* possible". Works fine for me.
I apologize. It was J Eric Chard who said that, and then he replied back
that what he meant was the numberic + and - keys cannot be used when
*saving* framestores, just when loading them. This is true and, I agree,
not very convenient. You also cannot use the period key "." to go to the
More? [Y/n/c] next unused framestore number like you could in the older system.
BB> RK> Notice that I did not include Projects in the above list of what
BB> RK> can be selected from the numeric keypad.
BB>
BB> I definitely noticed. That's why I asked. A simple "...but not the
BB> projects-menu" would have clarified things. (Still don't know if it's
BB> possible, and I'm just overlooking something.)
I'm sorry for jumping on you, Bill.
BB> BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload
BB> BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel
BB>
BB> RK> Shift-click still works for
BB> RK> me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used.
BB> RK> I don't know why you can't get it to work.
BB>
BB> It removes *ToasterPaint* from memory? A SHIFT+LEFT-MOUSE-CLICK?
Well, it works fine on the Toaster 4000 in an Amiga 4000, which is the
only setup I have to try it out on. Others have said this does *not*
More? [Y/n/c] work on an Amiga 2000 running the Toaster 3.0 software, and I believe
them, so that sounds like a bug that got away so far.
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Message Command:
Message #1490 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 28 Nov 93 14:02:54
From: Dave Wells
To: Barb Hamilton
Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us
*** Quoting Barb Hamilton to Dave Wells dated 11-23-93 ***
> Re: the wj-ave5 mixer. It WILL work on the toaster as it has 2 frame
> syncs, whereas the MX10 and 12 units have only one. I use my ave5 with
> my
> toaster all the time. There is a correct way to hook up to access both
> sync sources, but it is the only unit (lower end) which CAN be used as
> substitute TBCs).
>
Not having worked with an AVE-5, I was unaware of that. Its good to know,
thanks!
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Message #1491 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Mon 29 Nov 93 2:01
From: Jeff Dehaven
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Re: Rumor
No- I was referring to mathematical textures for objects- nothing to do with
bit map images.
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Message Command:
Message #1492 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 29 Nov 93 02:37:54
From: Bill Evans
To: John Fluharty
Subj: Video machine
Re: Video machine
> Why is the moderator so hung up on not allowing Video Machine posts?
Change
> the title of the subboard to Toaster Video and I can see his point. Our
high
> school just bought a Video Machine and we would like to talk to aother
people
> that have one. So I find an echo called video which appears to be for
video o
Because this is the "VIDEO TOASTER" echo, since we're here to talk about the
video toaster most of those on the echo would consider the Video machine off
topic. Just because it says VIDEO on your BBS doesn't mean that it is the
true name of the echo.
-bill
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Message #1493 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 29 Nov 93 02:37:55
From: Bill Evans
To: Alan Chan
Subj: Re: ToasterLink
Re: Re: ToasterLink
> Which reminds me to ask.. has anyone heard of ToasterLink for the 3.0 /
4000
> yet? Ever since I saw the Photoshop in action I've been CRAVING a Mac to
tie
> into my Toaster... (schwing!) How 'bout file formats? Does Toasterlink
conver
When I talked to a visiting Newtekian he told me it was being worked on
(Newtek doesn't actually write the Mac software) and would eventually be
available, since he's going to be here on Thursday, I'll ask him about an
availability and post it if he has any idea.
-bill
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Message #1494 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 29 Nov 93 02:37:56
From: Bill Evans
To: All
Subj: Newtek Rep
I've got a representative of Newtek who's going to be at our local store on
Thursday to give a seminar on the toaster, anyone who has a question they'd
like me to ask, post it here or netmail me at 1:373/17. I'll try to ask them
all and maybe get some answers out of him.
-bill
ps Ron, didn't send the cartridge yet because he promised me some goodies I
thought I'd thought I'd include, and I crashed a drive and have been having
troubles getting it all back.
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Message Command:
Message #1495 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 28 Nov 93 04:08:11
From: J. Moore
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
RK> Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on NewTek's
RK> back saying that they've done something deliberately... It looks like
RK> this one is just a bug that didn't get squashed yet, not some dire
RK> conspiracy.
That's true. Perhaps it would also be good if some others shouldn't be
so quick to strongly imply that others are crazy because they report a
problem that some don't have.
Right?
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Message Command:
Message #1496 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 28 Nov 93 7:44:52
From: Bill Beogelein
To: Alan Chan
Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade
AC> I'm running an old Toaster board with 3.0
AC> software, and the problem does exist
It exists for me on both configurations with an A2000:
New T4K board, and new T4K software.
Old board, and Toaster v3.0 software.
AC> As I posted a day or so ago, I think we're all talking about different
AC> software and hardware configurations, which is why we're always arguing
AC> little things like these.
It is always good to mention version #s and (significant) hardware in use.
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Message Command:
Message #1497 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 28 Nov 93 22:12:18
From: Terry Mundy
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Toaster related 4 Sale, OK'd
*In a message dated 26 Nov 93 12:32:02 Ron Kramer writes:
TM> PS sorry Ron, but am heading for the proper echo! Okay?
RK> No problem Tery! - if the items are of interest to video-toaster
RK> users (TBCs, VIDEO stuff) then feel free to post them to the toaster
RK> users here as well.
RK> * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS
Thanks Ron,
More? [Y/n/c] I think all of us Toaster users are happy to know exactly how you feel
about this situation!
I may be more apt now than ever to post more items for sale that do
relate to toaster A/V.
BTW, did you ever get that other DPS TBC going? How is it working out
for you? Was it a good investment? Hope so. We all don't have time
to mess around trying to get equipment working, would rather spend the
time playing with the Toaster.
Terry
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Message Command:
Message #1498 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 26 Nov 93 18:49:01
From: Dean Scott
To: All
Subj: Echo recv'd
Orion Point One is now receiving this conference.
As a broadcast Toaster user, I'll no doubt become increasingly active
on this echo in sharing and receiving tips and tricks in the use of
LightWave (mostly) as well as the other apps.
Send a note when received. Thanks.
DAS
... From Sharp minds come pointy heads.
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Message Command:
Message #1499 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 28 Nov 93 14:10:50
From: Sam Kanter
To: Jimmy Wright
Subj: Re: SAY IT!
>well why can we talk...
Jimmy, I think some form of _punctuation_ would make your sentences
clearer...
The subject of politics is considered off limits on this echo, which is
specifically for the purpose of discussing the Video Toaster.
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Message Command:
Message #1500 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 5)
Date: 28 Nov 93 22:58:00
From: Terry Mundy
To: Kenneth Gunton <Received>
Subj: TBC without s?
Kenneth,
I just happened onto your message to Ron Kramer about teeing the
Toasters and TBCs.
You also mentioned something aboutthe Ferral Micro 4:2:2. Do you have
one, and are having problems?
Let me know.
Terry
(816) 796-6228
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Message Command:
Message #1501 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 5)
Date: 28 Nov 93 23:01:09
From: Terry Mundy
To: Karl Feltner <Received>
Subj: Ferral TBC
Are you looking for help on the Ferral unit?
Let me know.
Terry
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Message Command:
Message #1502 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 01 Dec 93 15:28:00
From: Kenneth Gunton
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: e
I don't have one, I have several, because I am their factory rep for
this area (Midwest). None of my customers has had problems with their
4:2:2 that I know of. In the response you saw I was trying to get the
point across that many Toaster users use the preview out as the
genlock source, thereby avoiding purchase of a separate sync
generator. Teeing doesn't create any problems due to impedance
mismatching because the preview out generally just goes to a monitor.
Are you familiar with the 4:2:2 as a user? Have you heard about the
Feral Effect compression card for PIP? They're showing one next week
at Orlando.l
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Message Command:
Message #1503 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 30 Nov 93 06:44:00
From: Bob Lindabury
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: Field Rendering
In article 'Field Rendering', Dan Bloomfield(1:3603/2038) wrote:
DB>The default setting in the camera menu is with field rendering off. If
DB>it is on simply turn it off.
Just so people know, if you have the 3.0 Toaster software, you have the
ability to turn on Field Rendering for animations. If you are going to
videotape, Field Rendering is the ONLY way to go. Any movement near the
camera or very fast horizontal movement will be much, much smoother. Now
that Lightwave has Field Rendering, I don't ever use the normal frame
rendering unless I am doing stills.
-- Bob Lindabury (The Raven - SysAdmin)
Internet Address: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com
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More? [Y/n/c] Meyer
908/469-0049 * 14400 Baud Lines * Free FidoNet/UseNet Access * 24 Hours/7
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Message Command:
Message #1504 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 0:16
From: Jeff Dehaven
To: Thomas Hollier
Subj: Re post your response?
Something happened to the board that I get my toaster Feed from- I get a
message saying that you responded to my Lightwave textures post, but the
message is no where to be found on my end due to HD crash of this BBS- at
any rate, could you re-post your message to me? Also- are you the same guy
whos name is on the 3D sticker that ships with MotionMan??
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Message Command:
Message #1505 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 30 Nov 93 20:32:09
From: Barb Hamilton
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us
That is true, Ron, about the quality being a little less than standalone
TBCs (wj-ave5). However, it also is a nice little standalone effects box
and I am trying to maxamise my $$$. :)
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Message Command:
Message #1506 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 12:39
From: Alan Chan
To: Bill Beogelein
Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade
In a message dated 28 Nov 93 7:44:52, Bill Beogelein wrote:
AC> I'm running an old Toaster board with 3.0
AC> software, and the problem does exist
BB> It exists for me on both configurations with an A2000:
BB> New T4K board, and new T4K software.
BB> Old board, and Toaster v3.0 software.
BB> It is always good to mention version #s and (significant) hardware in
BB> use.
Ya know, a day after I posted that I was on a friend's T4000 system, and
noticed that I could not ShiftClick TPaint off either.. weirder and weirder..
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Message Command:
Message #1507 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 15:26
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
SK> Nancy, I had a feeling this is what you were doing despite the
SK> moderator's claim that this was not what was happening.
SK> -I- certainly have no problem with what you are doing, and I've
SK> broken the law under certain circumstances myself. In fact, I'd like
SK> to see -anyone- here truthfully say that they have -never- illegally
SK> copied someone else's software, even for review purposes. If they do
SK> say it -- don't believe 'em.
SK> --- TBBS v2.1/NM
Hey! I didn't say I was DOING it!! I said I was wrestling with the same
philosophical dilemna. All I have sold is an extra board (without ANY
software)- I still have my original 3.0 software and may or may not sell it.
depending on a decision to sell my 2nd Toaster workstation. I have, in fact,
turned down a few offers of "trading" a copy of the software.
More? [Y/n/c]
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Message Command:
Message #1508 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 15:30
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Re: Toaster problem-any ideas
MN> manifest
MN> itself on my regular Amiga monitor?
NK>couldn't be that simple. I empat
Another possibility is HEAT! It will really mess up the genlock and live
feed depending on what TBC you have (some can be configured to run cooler).
I have had to do some fancy configuring to solve the problem on my system.
I am going to add an IBM slot "FanCard" with 2 fans that has been
recommended as it is too cold to sit in here with the a/c still blasting.
There is always the possibility of a bad board- I know several people who
have had genlock problems that a new board resolved...
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Message Command:
Message #1509 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 15:35
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Rob Ribar
Subj: Re: Tpaint Shift-Click Bug!!!
RR> Can you tell, I too am fed up with Newtek's crap. I've been
RR> told 10 different things as to when the update/bug fix is going to
RR> come out. Everytime I call up "It'll be out in a couple of weeks!"
Well, I bought an original Toaster when they first came out and have been a
loyal defender all along BUT I am beginning to feel as you do- anytime I
call now (that is, when I can get thru), they don't want to listen to
problems and/or offer any suggestions- it is a quick "We'll ship you a new
board..." which may or may not solve the problems. They won't admit to any
problems, either and they do keep promising an addendum that Mark says isn't
in the works. They NEVER call back- even when the "supervisor" is given a
special note saying that "they never call back" yet they always promise they
will.
They need a competent Customer Service department. I do think they have let
More? [Y/n/c] the users down.
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Message Command:
Message #1510 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 29 Nov 93 10:23:19
From: J Eric Chard
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Fido VIDEO divisions
rich (?)
Do you know 1) Who moderates the "PRO-VIDEO" echo?
2) the pertinant info to give my sysop to get it
connected?
If it is "ProVideo" does that mean amateurs will not be underfoot?
*FSED91jSC 1.3d* Success is making it to the top of the food chain!
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Message Command:
Message #1511 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 29 Nov 93 10:30:08
From: J Eric Chard
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: Toaster vapor-bugs
*In a message dated 25 Nov 93 17:53:11 Dan Bloomfield writes:
DB> I have the same annoying problem. This may be a bug in the 3.0
DB> software
DB> for the 2000. Since you are running the 4000 software and it still
DB> works
DB> the way it used to.
Ahhhh, intermittants! The other day LWave wouldn't temporarily
switch to VIEW EDIT when I held down the ALT key. It always has before and
since.
Sweet mystery of life......
*FSED91j*
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Message Command:
Message #1512 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 30 Nov 93 19:43:11
From: Paulo De Andrade
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
-> There was a comprehensive article in this month's A/V Video magazine
-> about component, Y/C, analog, and RGB. I quote:
->
-> "If you interconnect S-VHS equipment with with a single wire,
-> picture
-> quality will suffer. Introducing single-wire, encoded-processing
-> equipment such as the Video Toaster will reduce the number of
-> generations of taped signals that can be passed through. There is no
-> way to eliminate the loss of picture quality..."
->
-> This is what I've been trying to say for a while. It's simple, it's
-> true, but some people who don't use Y/C equipment seem to have
-> trouble accepting this, especially if it finds fault with the Newtek
-> and the Toaster...
This is only true if you are not using true broadcast quality
More? [Y/n/c] equipment. 1" type C, the top analog video format, is composite only and
there is absolutely no problems with it. But if you are using a format
like S-VHS, for example, y/c makes a big difference. The main reason is
that S-VHS does not have the frequency response to handle the complete
video bandwidth. And it's signal to noise ratio, specially chroma, is
relatively poor. Therefore, when using composite with S-VHS, the signal
suffers more with increasing generations. Keeping the signals separated
(y/c), there is less of that loss.
True broadcast quality formats, on the other hand, can handle the
complete video signal very well and don't suffer from using composite.
There is more to it than I mentioned here, but it's very technical and
lengthy. But the point is that the Toaster, being a composite-only
unit, causes no harm to the signal as long as your equipment handles
composite well. And even with S-VHS, a couple of generations won't be so
bad. But for more than that, y/c can make a pretty good difference in
keeping the signal clean.
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Message Command:
Message #1513 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Thu 2 Dec 93 8:50
From: Alan Chan
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Re: Toaster vapor-bugs
In a message dated 29 Nov 93 10:30:08, J Eric Chard wrote:
JEC> Ahhhh, intermittants! The other day LWave wouldn't
JEC> temporarily
JEC> switch to VIEW EDIT when I held down the ALT key. It always has
JEC> before and
JEC> since.
JEC> Sweet mystery of life......
That happened to me once too.. do you remember what you were doing to get it
that way?
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Message Command:
Message #1514 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 03 Dec 93 09:38:08
From: Karl Feltner
To: Terry Mundy
Subj: Re: Ferral TBC
No, I was just making a statement about the results I had trying to
find out delivery times for the effects unit.
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Message #1515 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 01 Dec 93 00:00:27
From: Terry Mundy
To: Jeff Dehaven
Subj: Rumor
Well, I guess I got my hopes up for nothing then. But it never hurts
to dream!
Terry
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Message Command:
Message #1516 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 24 Nov 93 19:34:00
From: Ryan Felder
To: Sysop
Subj: Comment (4)
Verify me I'm a sysop.
Ryan Felder
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Message Command:
Message #1517 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 02 Dec 93 10:12:20
From: Ron Kramer
To: Mark Randall
Subj: NewTek's commitment forwarded
* Original Area: A_Video
* Original To : Otis F. Ivie (1:228/500)
* Original Subj: NewTek's commitment & Index
OFI> Ron, I got my $100 rebate from Newtek not Commodore.
OFI> I pointed out to Newtek that all the promotion on this
OFI> thing came from them and that they had a
OFI> responsibility to get me infomation or the money. I
OFI> got a check from them!!
Seems like it, I got the coupon from NewTek, but I thought the address it
was mailed to was C=. I`m still waiting.... Mark Randall... got anything
to advise on this????
More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1518 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 02 Dec 93 20:27:48
From: Ron Kramer
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
SK> "If you interconnect S-VHS
SK> equipment with with a single wire, picture quality
SK> will suffer. Introducing single-wire, encoded-
SK> processing equipment such as the Video Toaster will
Your almost there... Check it out `if you interconnect *S-VHS* equipment!
SVHS and Hi8 use Y/C to as a means to improve their performance over the old
8mm and VHS formats. By using composite connections with those formats some
of the quality tweaked out of those formats will be lost.
On the other hand. People using superior formats with composite connections
will still yield quality superior to the hi8 and SVHS(Y/C) even though they
are using composite connections. Proving the lose of quality isn`t the
fault of the composite connections.
More? [Y/n/c] What we`ve been trying to say is there is MORE TO GOOD VIDEO then Y/C. Even
if comparing the same SVHS format...
You could shoot SVHS video with a industrial 1 chip camera, and use Y/C to
make a dub for multiple generations... bypassing the composite toaster
connections and still have inferior video then if you shot your source
footage with a quality 3Chip camera with good lighting and *used* the
composite/toaster connections to make those same dubs.
To sum it up... if your shooting broadcast quality source footage the
composite connections aren`t a problem. But if your shooting mediocre source
footage then you`ll need to tweak every ounce of signal out of it to get a
decent dub, and Y/C becomes more important to you. I`ll take my 3/4 inch
composite/toaster dubs over my SVHS Y/C dubs anyday.
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1519 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 02 Dec 93 20:45:18
From: Ron Kramer
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Re: Video machine
JEC> too would be interested
JEC> in such discussions--apparently no such fido echo exists.
fidonet backbone echo `PRO_VIDEO`.
JEC> complains that when this WAS the general-video echo no-
JEC> one subscribed. Now
JEC> that he IS getting the discussions he craved he won't allow them. I
JEC> believe his nose is lying on the floor in front of his feet.
That was then, this is now, and we have become another echo. There is
PRO_VIDEO for non toaster video topics. I can`t see duplicating posts from
that echos topics. Plus the people in here are here for video-toaster
topics.
I crave video discussions too - but I do it in the proper echos. I also
crave discussions of Scuba, photography, etc... So we should do them
More? [Y/n/c] here???
The people in this echo who helped create it don`t want to wade through
non-toaster messages, and sysops who want toaster talk shouldn`t have to pay
$$$ to transfer off topic discussions that you may personally crave.
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1520 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 02 Dec 93 21:00:42
From: Ron Kramer
To: Barb Hamilton
Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us
BH> That is true, Ron, about the quality being a little less than standalone
BH> TBCs (wj-ave5). However, it also is a nice little standalone effects box
BH> and I am trying to maxamise my $$$. :)
Yup their cool, I loved my WJMX10 while I had it. But toaster finally took
over.
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1521 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 02 Dec 93 21:07:14
From: John Geyer
To: All
Subj: Toaster/Camera
I am using a Toaster with ver 3.0 software. Can I plug multiple cameras into
the various outputs without a genlock problem..(cams like panasonic
AG450)...Also there used to be ads for hidden features in the Panasonic
AG450's I don't remember if they were advertising a book or tape but I sure
would like to find a way to slow down the zoom on this sucker as well as any
"hidden" features. I you know if this book/tape please call John Geyer 813
332-5366 Collect...Thanks for any help you may offer!!!
--- Maximus 2.00
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Message Command:
Message #1522 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 02 Dec 93 07:05:11
From: J. Moore
To: All
Subj: Toaster bug fix and index
I've now heard that the upcoming Newtek stuff will have be not only a
bug fix disk but also an INDEX for the manual. Timing? RSN, of course,
what else is there in computerdom?
* Q-Blue 1.0 [NR]
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Message Command:
Message #1523 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 01 Dec 93 20:40:11
From: Dean Scott
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas?
MN> I am not. The Toaster is going into a 1084s monitor's composite in.
MN> exit the Toster and try to use the genlock, if I punch up the black
MN> background, I get a messed up Toaster screen. I think the problem
MN> lies in my power supply.
Actually, I strongly think the problem is that IF your Toaster's
RGB monitor port ISN'T connected to the monitor (RGB connector),
THEN the RGB lines are UNTERMINATED and may be causing the "messed
up" screen. For some stupid reason, Commodore decided on passive
termination of the RGB signal lines **INSIDE** the monitor. The
Toaster gets is source for BLACK from the Amiga RGB, so when these
three lines are unterminated, the Toaster BLACK is unstable.
We had a big problem with Toaster BLACK _NOT_ being at 7.5 IRE.
Instead, BLACK was around 15 IRE which gave it a noticable and
unwanted muddy "gray" look. This was somewhat remedied by re-
More? [Y/n/c] placing the 1084's 150 ohm RGB termination resistors with
75 ohms. This brought the setup down a little bit to about
10 IRE, enough to help DPaint IV animations keyed through the
Genlock Utility to be more closely in line with FCC broadcast
standards.
Check this simple fix out for yourself and see if it is the
problem. (I mean hooking the monitor up to the RGB port, not
replacing the terminating resistors <g>).
DAS
... He who dies with the most toys... is still dead!
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Message Command:
Message #1524 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 02 Dec 93 14:18:42
From: Sam Kanter
To: Barb Hamilton
Subj: Re: PANASONIC VIDEO MIXERS US
>That is true, Ron, about the quality being a little less than staandalone
>TBCs (wj-ave5). However, it also is a nice little standalone effects box
Barb, the luminance enhancer should add the extra resolution and luminance
to bring it up to par with the lower-end stand-alone or card-type TBCs.
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Message Command:
Message #1525 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 02 Dec 93 14:21:16
From: Sam Kanter
To: Nancy Kowall
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
>Hey! I didn't say I was DOING it!! I said I was wrestling with the same
>philosophical dilemna. All I have sold is an extra board (without ANY
OK, you were -wrestling- with the idea of doing it! In any case, I'm not
going to make any ethical judgements regarding your ideas or actions...:-)
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Message #1526 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 02 Dec 93 18:54:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Nancy Kowall
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas?
NK> Another possibility is HEAT! It will really mess up the genlock and live
The tech from NewTek (sounds like a tune from the 60s!) told me to try the
same board in another Amiga 2000. I did. Same problem. Airborne Express
picked it up about four hours ago and it is on its way to Topeka. I have
all the little registration stubs in the front pocket of the manual.
The 4th Toaster 4000 card will be here in a few days. I wonder if I have
set the record?
NK> There is always the possibility of a bad board- I know several people
NK> who have had genlock problems that a new board resolved...
Here's hoping.... Thanks for the sympathy, Nancy. I do like rendering
with an 040 on board. Zoom go the frames! I might actually start learning
Lwave one of these days if I ever get the Toaster running for a week
straight <g>. I must say that NewTek for all their weirdness and faults,
More? [Y/n/c] is the very best computer company I have ever dealt with. They really do
stand 100% behind their product. On the other hand, you are absolutely
right about the fact that they tend to not want to solve Amiga related
problems on the phone (such as the one that I just had). He did ask me
if there was a dealer nearby, (there isn't, unfortunately) which suggests
they would pay for a dealer to look at a persistent problem. I think that
the "just send it in and we'll send another" policy has its good points
and bad points. It is tough way to debug a system. Now get this:
the machine at work which just got a new motherboard and that is not
working correctly so it will have to go back to Software Hut, thus putting
that Toaster out of commission for some time. It has screen garbage that
was there the moment I booted it up. Funny kind of residual stuff left
on the workbench screen when I close windows. I am so burned out with
computer hardware problems that many times I wish I had hung on to 3D
Studio for my Vesa Local Bus 486-33. It was very fast. The only problem
was that at the time I dumped it, the cheapest pro genlock solution was
in the neighborhood of $1500. I figured I would really be ahead with the
Toaster. What I didn't count on was the flakiness of the old Amiga
systems. (And it sounds like you would say the same your new system,
unfortunately. I had an Amiga 3000 for a while but I could not get the
040 accelerator for it so I sold it. I have regretted that ever since.
More? [Y/n/c] If this damn thing would just work for a while, I would feel sooo much
better. Hope your system is cool and operating smoothly at present.
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Message Command:
Message #1527 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 03 Dec 93 14:18:53
From: Sam Kanter
To: Todd Vierling
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
>I have 3.0 but I'd be damned if I'd sell it. I'd gladly throw the 2.0
>software out the window, though. ;)
Are you a double-up customer? If so, you have the 4000 software which,
according to Ron Kramer, is identical to 3.0 software. So you can legally
sell your 3.0 software -- Ron, is this not correct?
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Message Command:
Message #1528 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 03 Dec 93 14:31:20
From: Sam Kanter
To: Paulo De Andrade
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
>lengthy. But the point is that the Toaster, being a composite-only
>unit, causes no harm to the signal as long as your equipment handles
>composite well. And even with S-VHS, a couple of generations won't be so
Agreed. But this is no help to the thousands of Toaster users who DO NOT use
1" composite systems, and DO use low and high end Y/C systems -- like me! WE
would like the Toaster to have TRUE Y/C inputs and outputs as well as
composite -- as much professional and most prosumer equipment (camcorders,
TBCs, decks, processing equipment) already has.
I don't understand why this concept is so hard to understand? Newtek (for
understandable reasons) does not like to discuss this, and people on this
echo, including the moderator, say this is not an issue of any importance.
Well, maybe it's not important for you, but for many it is.
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Message Command:
Message #1529 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: Fri 3 Dec 93 9:46
From: Alan Chan
To: Paulo De Andrade
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
In a message dated 30 Nov 93 19:43:11, Paulo De Andrade wrote:
-> There was a comprehensive article in this month's A/V Video magazine
-> about component, Y/C, analog, and RGB. I quote:
->
-> "If you interconnect S-VHS equipment with with a single wire,
-> picture
-> quality will suffer. Introducing single-wire, encoded-processing
->
-> This is what I've been trying to say for a while. It's simple, it's
-> true, but some people who don't use Y/C equipment seem to have
-> trouble accepting this, especially if it finds fault with the Newtek
-> and the Toaster...
PDA> This is only true if you are not using true broadcast quality
PDA> equipment. 1" type C, the top analog video format, is composite only
More? [Y/n/c] PDA> and
PDA> there is absolutely no problems with it. But if you are using a
PDA> format
PDA> like S-VHS, for example, y/c makes a big difference. The main reason
PDA> is
PDA> that S-VHS does not have the frequency response to handle the
PDA> complete
PDA> video bandwidth. And it's signal to noise ratio, specially chroma,
PDA> lengthy. But the point is that the Toaster, being a composite-only
PDA> unit, causes no harm to the signal as long as your equipment handles
PDA> composite well. And even with S-VHS, a couple of generations won't
Diplomatically put! The Toaster is a broadcast-quality tool which also
happens to be accessibly priced for (pro)consumer use.. Mags like Video and
Videomaker cater to consumers, not to people who do this for a living. I
personally find mags like these revolting and occasionally full of
misleading information.
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Message Command:
Message #1530 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 06:38:55
From: Rich Koster
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: re: Toaster problem-any ideas
Hi Mike!
On Thursday, December 2nd '93 you wrote to Nancy Kowall:
MN> I think that the "just send it in and we'll send another" policy
MN> has its good points and bad points. It is tough way to debug a
MN> system.
They probably do this because of the fact that they have a computerized
checking program that goes over all facets of the Toaster board. They
most likely have a stack of boards piled up waiting to be checked and
debugged, and it is quicker for the user (and better, IMHO) to just
get a brand-new board shipped back as soon as they get the old one.
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Message Command:
Message #1531 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 04 Dec 93 06:41:52
From: Rich Koster
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
Hi Sam!
On Friday, December 3rd '93 you wrote to Paulo De Andrade:
SK> Agreed. But this is no help to the thousands of Toaster users who DO NOT
SK> use 1" composite systems, and DO use low and high end Y/C systems --
SK> like me! WE would like the Toaster to have TRUE Y/C inputs and outputs
SK> as well as composite -- as much professional and most prosumer equipment
SK> (camcorders, TBCs, decks, processing equipment) already has.
For these type of people there exists a third-party solution, so NewTek is
not under the gone to provide one themselves. Get the Y/C Plus card... it
allows TRUE Y/C input and output to/from the Toaster card through connection
directly into the guts of the Toaster card (bypassing the standard BNC
connectors) and hence the Y/C signals never get converted to composite video.
More? [Y/n/c] I reviewed it in the November issue of Video Systems magazine (but it was
just a little sidebar box so my name didn't get on the review -- my name
did get on the large Toaster 4000 review I did in that same issue, though!)
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Message Command:
Message #1532 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 02 Dec 93 09:34:16
From: J Eric Chard
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
*In a message dated 27 Nov 93 13:46:52 Sam Kanter writes:
SK> There was a comprehensive article in this month's A/V Video magazine
SK> about component, Y/C, analog, and RGB. I quote:
SK>
SK> "If you interconnect S-VHS equipment with with a single
SK> wire, picture quality will suffer. Introducing single-wire,
SK> encoded-processing equipment such as the Video Toaster will reduce
SK> the number of generations
SK> of taped signals that can be passed through. There is no way to
SK> eliminate the loss of picture quality..."
No duh. That's why they invented component and psuedo component
(y/c) formats.
You can get around this by purchasing the y/c adaptors that bypass
the composite part of the toaster. Internal video handling in the Toaster
More? [Y/n/c] is not composite. DPS makes a good one.
BTW, love the gratuitous slam in AV-V. They coulda said the same
thing for dozens of switchers, including Grass Valley, but they chose to
slam the Toaster. Typical.
*FSED91j*
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Message Command:
Message #1533 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 02 Dec 93 09:39:14
From: J Eric Chard
To: Rob Ribar
Subj:
*In a message dated 28 Nov 93 15:14:18 Rob Ribar writes:
RR> Well, no I don't think it's just the software. I have an
RR> A4000 with the VT4000 and I have the bug too. I have to go into
RR> ToasterPaint in order to quit it...no shift-click for me.
I think even the die-hards will accept the fact now that there is a
bug, after dozens have reported it here.
RR> Can you tell, I too am fed up with Newtek's crap. I've been
RR> told 10 different things as to when the update/bug fix is going to
RR> come out. Everytime I call up "It'll be out in a couple of weeks!"
RR> So now, it's three months later..and still no fix.
So now you feel like an Impulse customer? Or a Microsoft
customer? Or a Lotus customer? Or an IBM customer?
More? [Y/n/c] Get real. Nobody gets straight answers on software delivery
questions.
I'm beginning to
RR> feel what the rest of you feel about Newtek making promises they
RR> can't keep. I've only owned a Toaster for about 6 months and I'm
RR> beginning to see it. It's just too bad...Newtek has got a great
RR> product and it has great potential, but they really don't support
RR> their customers enough.
Very few companies supply the exchange services that NewTek does:
Federal Express, years after purchase. You may have had a bad experience,
but plenty others have had good ones.
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Message Command:
Message #1534 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 03 Dec 93 23:03:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Don Pope
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
-> I had to send in my T4000 last week... in the meantime I put the old
-> board
-> and 3.0 software back in my A2000. I don't have this problem of not
-> being able to shift-click the Paint program off either (whether it is
-> holding a picture or not). So it's not a question of Rich getting
-> his to work because he has an A4000/T4000 combination. I can't
-> imagine why you and Bill would have this problem.
I would still tend to say it is a bug, if some systems have the problem
and some don't. I'm not that concerned about it it's just annoying.
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Message Command:
Message #1535 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 03 Dec 93 18:43:23
From: Bill Evans
To: Nancy Kowall
Subj: Re: Newtek Rep
Re: Re: Newtek Rep
> BE> I've got a representative of Newtek who's going to be at our local
> BE> store on
> BE> Thursday to give a seminar on the toaster, anyone who has a question
> ???????
> Index
> Addendum
> Missing tutorial objects
> extra 'promised' objects
> better TECH support/callback
> bug fixes
> status of 2.0 board for future upgrades
> next upgrade: board or SW or both
> poor positioning of T_4000 in 4000- heat trap
> status of their quality control which appears flawed
More? [Y/n/c] >
Well I think I got most of your answers (I asked lots of questions :)).
An update is going to start shipping RSN, it includes Index, and manual
addendums, as well as 6 disks with the missing tutorials stuff several new
objects (One from B5 YEAH), more wipes and bug fixes for several things. As
for the rest tech support is being reorganized and improved, they won't
forget their 2.0 board people in the future (probably offer trade in again is
my guess), talked about more future software enhancements so I think next
upgrade is software only, positioning in 4000 isn't their fault they have to
plug into the video slot, and packaging (that's what you had trouble with in
QC right badly packed bo[Cds?) is going to be better/more consistent.
-bill
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Message Command:
Message #1536 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 12:04:50
From: Ron Kramer
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Fido VIDEO divisions
JEC> rich (?)
JEC> Do you know 1) Who moderates the "PRO-VIDEO" echo?
JEC> 2) the pertinant info to give my sysop to get it
I believe the tag name is PRO_VIDEO (this is what the sysop should turn on)
It is moderated by Mark Shandler (I think I got that spelled right)
JEC> If it is "ProVideo" does that mean amateurs
JEC> will not be underfoot?
It is a professional level echo. Don`t know how they determine pro from
ameteur level posts. I`m sure PC video is welcome there.
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Message Command:
Message #1537 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 12:52:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To: Scott Pessoni
Subj: TBC's
SM> The software is good on a PC or Amiga, btw.
SP> The only problem is that I don't feel like changeing around software.
SP> I am the type of person who is hands on though I will use software if
SP> I have too!
Well, after having used a couple of standalones, and using the DPS
software, I can honestly say that the DPS software is easier to use
and is more intuitive than most standalones control knobs are.
A great feature is the color balance. Imagine this, you have color
bars going into a vector scope, and they seem to be the right
amplitude, but are offcenter (i.e. seem shifted down or left etc...)
on the vector scope. You have a 3-D screen with a small cursor in it.
Grab the cursor and move it with your mouse, and watch the 6 pointed
vector scope display follow your mouse! Very nice for adjusting
More? [Y/n/c] REALLY screwed up video. Plus, you get ten presets for each of four
TBCs, and ten more for every default file you care to make. Makes
it very nice. You just set up each TBC to hand each Camera you
have in the studio, and if you put a tape from one unit into a
particular tape deck, you just click on recall and that deck is set
up and ready to go!
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Message Command:
Message #1538 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 12:58:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To: John Geyer
Subj: Toaster/Camera
>I am using a Toaster with ver 3.0 software. Can I plug multiple cameras
>into the various outputs without a genlock problem..(cams like panasonic
>AG450)...Also there used to be ads for hidden features in the Panasonic
>AG450's I don't remember if they were advertising a book or tape but I
>sure would like to find a way to slow down the zoom on this sucker as well
>as any "hidden" features. I you know if this book/tape please call John
>Geyer 813 332-5366
>Collect...Thanks for any help you may offer!!!
John, all inputs to the Toaster must be arriving at the same "time"
so to speak. That means that they must be synced to each other.
If the AG450 accepts sync input, then you are set. I do not believe
it does, at least not in its normal form. This means that the first
AG-450 could be the sync source for everything else. However, all
other cameras would either have to accept sync input or be run
through a TBC that was synced to the first AG-450 in order to be
More? [Y/n/c] run into the Toaster. Also, the Toaster is VERY sensitive to timing
differences caused by things like cable length. Therefore, any deivce
plugged into the toaster as input 2, 3, or 4, should be capable of
having their S/HC adjusted +/- a certain amount to make them arrive
at the EXACT right time. Elsewise, your color will be seriously
mangled on inputs 2,3,4 because of the wrong delay.
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Message #1539 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 13:07:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To:
Subj:
I'm wondering if anyone knows of a good single frame deck that
doesn't have to pre-roll for every frame. It would be nice if
someone could point me in the direction of a single frame
Beta-SP deck that does single frame without all the wear and
tear of pre-rolling every single frame.
Is this even possible? If not, looks like we'll have to look
into renting time on a digital disc recorder
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Message Command:
Message #1540 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 22:55:38
From: Don Pope
To: Rich Koster
Subj: netmail
Hi Rich....
I've been having a lot of trouble lately with fido feeds (got one day's
worth all last week), so have changed to point off another board that gets
it's feed elsewhere. New address "1:3815/106.2"..... I sent you a netmail
message last week - but I have no assurance that it even got out (about
setting up decks with my Toaster system). Give me a call (collect is ok) at
918-336-0060.
Amigaly,
.Don.
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Message Command:
Message #1541 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 21:25:01
From: Terry Mundy
To: Kenneth Gunton
Subj: Micro 4:2:2
Do you have software that is working with the Amiga?
I've had a couple of versions, and none work. At ALL.
Terry
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Message Command:
Message #1542 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 07 Dec 93 04:39:23
From: Trent Johnson
To: All
Subj: Fonts
Help! Trying to source the fonts which comprise the Plymouth and
Dodge automobile company logos. Does anyone out there on the nets
know if there are PostScript or Fontbank equivalents to these fonts?
I suspect they are custom logo fonts, but who knows...
Could also use these two logos in virtually any 3D format: LW,
Imagine, 3DS, Wavefront, etc.
Any ideas folks?
Thanks.
Trent K. Johnson
ReAnimators Computer Animation
Edmonton, Canada
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Message Command:
Message #1543 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 00:06:00
From: Ken Bouchard
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Re: Whats the cheapest Non-Re
No Luck. Turns out the one sold in Damark, does not do Capture.
Has no ability, as it takes output of your VGA card.
Software was all different too.
No ability to have the picture in a window, etc..
Totally different card, and the price reflects it.
Sure was a very NICE looking picture for standard NTSC off cruddy Cable.
A scene featuring some guy in bed with a woman, you could count the chest
hairs. Typical television that would be a blur.
Best was the way it handled the colors, which meant no red-bleeds, and
typical distortions that you get.
Alas I sent it back for refund, as I was not interested in it's ability to
watch television (already have a 15" color tv that looks almost as good.)
...
Sears does not sell thier card, it is only sold as the Packard Bell.
I suppose I could try contacting Packard Bell.
More? [Y/n/c] Probably find it sells for over 200.00
The dude at Sears guessed it might retail for around $240.00
Oh well, you know what they say about things that look too good to be true.
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Message Command:
Message #1544 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 00:08:00
From: Ken Bouchard
To: John Fluharty
Subj: Re: Video machine
I was told that there is one called Pro Video.
I plan to get that myself, if it is availible off the BackBone..
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Message Command:
Message #1545 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 00:11:00
From: Ken Bouchard
To: Thomas Couey
Subj: Re: Amiga
I get 10 fps on my 386 DX/25 with the new MPEG movies.
Faster if I use a smaller window.
This is the Xingit system.
Is it allowable to talk about Xing and their $768.00 frame-grabber
card which does the Xing MPEG movies?
(Here in this echo..)
Also is it allowed to talk about "Pro Video Spectrum" which also does
similar things, but only costs $350.00
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Message Command:
Message #1546 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 05 Dec 93 13:31:22
From: Ron Kramer
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
SK> software which, according to Ron Kramer, is identical
SK> to 3.0 software. So you can legally sell your 3.0
SK> software -- Ron, is this not correct?
Im not sure, someone has said that they couldn`t get the 3.0 software to
work with a T4000 installed in a 2000. So who knows. I never installed my
3.0... I got T4000 software with my T4000 card. Got 3.0 software in its own
seperate box with its own manual so I sold it seperatly since I had already
sold my 2.0 toaster board. I heard they were the same, and only that the
T4000 effects and features were eliminated from the 3.0 installation. Once
we upgrade to 3.0 there isn`t much stopping people from selling their 2.0
original disks. Is this legal? probably not... will people do it... most
likely. With the release of LightRave I assume NewTek will want the older
disks turned in when upgrading to new versions. But then that still won`t
stop copies of the originals. Its a call each person as to make for
themselves... but national echos do not allow posting of the sale of illegal
More? [Y/n/c] copies.
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Message Command:
Message #1547 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 05 Dec 93 13:39:28
From: Ron Kramer
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
SK> I don't understand why this concept is so hard to
SK> understand? Newtek (for understandable reasons) does
SK> not like to discuss this, and people on this echo,
SK> including the moderator, say this is not an issue of
SK> any importance.
Sam, Its not NewTeks fault that you`ve selected a format that requires
seperation of chroma and luma to achieve decent quality. Composite
connections are not a flaw, they are a fact of everyday life in the world of
broadcast quality video. When I was starting out I too was a `S` finatic.
I later learned that using `S` connections was far less important for
achieving a quality video product then say the video format used, or the
quality of the camera the source stock was shot with... or the quality of
lighting used to record it. Broadcast in, broadcast out... consumer in,
consumer out.
More? [Y/n/c]
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Message Command:
Message #1548 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Sun 5 Dec 93 10:31
From: Dan Mccoy
To: All
Subj: T4000, 3000 and the POWER LED
I just dicovered something about my system yesterday that I wanted to check
if anyone else has noticed it. When I had the older Toaster, whever I
powered up, reset or called on programs that would enable/disable the audio
filter within the Amiga, the power LED would dim (audio filter off). I like
to listen to those insane MODs now and then. I upgraded the old Toaster to
a T4000 via the upgrade program a month or so ago. At the time, I was also
running ZVM, a program that turns my Amiga into an answering machine with a
ZyXEL modem. I changed a script so that it'd call LED to alternate the LED
from dim to bright when I had a message. I can recall running into cases
where I had messages but nothing on the LED. Figuring it to be a quirk and
since I wasn't going to be running ZVM anymore, I shrugged it off. Just
yesterday, I figured out the problem was, the T4000 hardware itself.
Plugged in, the LED during power up is at a constant brightness. Without
the T4000, normal operation.
So (after the long winded speech), has anyone else out there noticed their
More? [Y/n/c] power LED or audio filters can't be enabled/disabled with a T4000 in their
machines?
I won't mind it so much if it's a common thing.
Why I traded in a perfectly working older Toaster is beyond me... Sigh...
Have fun,
Dan
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Message #1549 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Sun 5 Dec 93 12:28
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Re: Toaster problem-any ideas
MN> the
MN> 040 accelerator for it so I sold it. I have regretted that ever
MN> since.
I did the same thing! I am STILL kicking myself- I kept the 2500_Toaster so
my kid could have a more reliable 'game' machine. I shudda been more
selfish! (smile) ALtho' I just added the GVP 40 MHz 030 board and it sure is
zippy. (My TrumpCardPro finally died (good riddance) and I traded in my
26030 (CMBs)- got $150 and paid $1800 about a year ago (loud OUCH!)
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Message #1550 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: Sun 5 Dec 93 12:33
From: Nancy Kowall
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: Toaster problem-any ideas
RK> They
RK> most likely have a stack of boards piled up waiting to be checked and
RK> debugged, and it is quicker for the user (and better, IMHO) to just
RK> get a brand-new board shipped back as soon as they get the old one.
That's true but when there is system and/or compatibility problem and all
they want to do is send another board, it doesn't help very much. In the old
days, they would stay on the phone and help you go thru your system- not any
more.
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Message #1551 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 10:12:23
From: Dwight Jones
To: Ryan Felder
Subj: COMMENT (4)
> Verify me I'm a sysop.
OK, you're a certified Sysop. I also perform shotgun marriages and can even
consummate the union.
/=)
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Message #1552 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 03 Dec 93 11:28:10
From: J Eric Chard
To: J. Moore
Subj: Re: re: 3.0 upgrade
*In a message dated 28 Nov 93 04:08:11 J. Moore writes:
JM> RK> Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on
JM> NewTek's
JM> RK> back saying that they've done something deliberately... It
JM> looks like
JM> RK> this one is just a bug that didn't get squashed yet, not some
JM> dire
JM> RK> conspiracy.
JM>
JM> That's true. Perhaps it would also be good if some others shouldn't
JM> be
JM> so quick to strongly imply that others are crazy because they report
JM> a
JM> problem that some don't have.
JM>
More? [Y/n/c] JM> Right?
Hah. Good one.
You'd think Richy was sleeping with Kiki, he's so quick to defend
NewTek's honor. Yo Rich, the interface is lame! And if you don't like my
opinion (and my facts) , there's a beach and a hammer waiting for you.
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Message #1553 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 04 Dec 93 21:10:11
From: Grant Cormier
To: Scott Pessoni
Subj: GVP's new TBC+ Looks Good
*@SUBJECT:GVP's new TBC+ Looks Good... N
Hi Scott,
I noticed that GVP was showing off their new TBC+ at WOCA Toronto,
and it seems really neat, 4:2:2, Frame Grabbing, Y/C support, etc...
I can post more details once I get a chance to play with it some
more tommorow at the show...
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Message #1554 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 05 Dec 93 01:05:11
From: Hammed Malik
To: J. Moore
Subj: Toaster bug fix and index
Hello Jim,
JM>I've now heard that the upcoming Newtek stuff will have be not only a
JM>bug fix disk but also an INDEX for the manual. Timing? RSN, of
JM>course, what else is there in computerdom?
I've heard that the upgrade will be shipping in a week or so. Its more
like 6 disks and apparently NT is calling it upgrade V3.1. It will be
available through dealers but only after providing proof of ownership of
the VideoToaster. Free to registered V3.0/T4000 owners and approx $700
to V2.0 owners. Manual has been redone. Also more features in the CG
(gradient filled text etc).
HM
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Message #1555 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 05 Dec 93 09:06:48
From: Barb Hamilton
To: Don Pope
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Don, I believe there may exist different versions of 3.0 software for the
2000 board. MY version of the 3.0 software has the same shift-click no
unload Toasterpaint as several others have.
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Message #1556 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 05 Dec 93 09:12:53
From: Barb Hamilton
To: Rob Ribar
Subj: RE: SFC
I have a Personal SFC which I will sell, if you want it. I bought it
hoping to get a SF VTR but budget will not allow it. The software looks
very nice, but I have never used it.
However, people I know who have say it is very good.
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Message #1557 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3)
Date: 05 Dec 93 09:18:37
From: Barb Hamilton
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: RE: Toaster problem-any ideas
I had the same problem you are describing with one of my toaster systems.
The Problem was SOLVED by replacing the Fat Agnus in the machine. Perhaps
this may be of help to you, as it was driving me crazy. Also, believe it
or not, some libraries seem to cause that. I missed a couple when I did
my 2.1 form 1.3 upgrade, because I re-installed some stuff, and when I
went back and re-installed the new 2.1 upgrade again, the problem when
away.
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Message #1558 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 03 Dec 93 13:11:12
From: Rick Mallia
To: All
Subj: WEN JK 1461
hello all!
someone sold me the above WEN monitor with the above model number (JK1461)
and he tells me it is a SVGA with 1024 x 768 ... he says he doesn't know
anything else about it... please someone help me get some more specs on this
monitor... i am in desparate need!
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Message #1559 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 05 Dec 93 14:12:00
From: Scott Marlowe
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas
>Now get this:
>the machine at work which just got a new motherboard and that is not
>working correctly so it will have to go back to Software Hut, thus putting
>that Toaster out of commission for some time. It has screen garbage that
>was there the moment I booted it up. Funny kind of residual stuff left
>on the workbench screen when I close windows. I am so burned out with
WAIT!!!! Don't send it back. That is a common problems with A2000s.
I'm assuming that's what you have if you are having these problems.
A large number of A2000s left the factory with a jumper set wrong.
It is the one RIGHT next to the Agnus chip. It used to be used to
tell the Agnus to come up in NTSC or PAL. Now it tells it to come
up in 1 Meg or 2 Meg address modes. Yours is probably set wrong.
If I remember correctly, you need to REMOVE the jumper to make it
work. Much better than sending it back.
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Message #1560 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 11:41:11
From: Paulo De Andrade
To: Sam Kanter
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
@ORIGIN :3376 N
-> Agreed. But this is no help to the thousands of Toaster users who DO
-> NOT use 1" composite systems, and DO use low and high end Y/C systems
-> -- like me! WE would like the Toaster to have TRUE Y/C inputs and
-> outputs as well as composite -- as much professional and most
-> prosumer equipment (camcorders, TBCs, decks, processing equipment)
-> already has.
While I still defend the good quality of the Toaster composite signal, I
agree with you that NewTek should offer more options. I would gain from
that, too, if the offered MII/Betacam component.
I guess the video switcher market will eventually force them to do that.
The Opal Vision switcher, for example, offers composite, y/c and
MII/Betacam component. And it exists! I saw it working at Siggraph and
was given a personal demonstration. The Matrox Studio and the Video
Machine, both for the PC, also handle multiple types of video signal.
More? [Y/n/c] And the best PC switcher I've seen - The Hotronic AQ21 - also offers
composite and y/c. BTW, this is not only a great unit for non-Toaster
users but also a great addition to any Toaster system. It has video
quality that is even better than the Toaster's and does perfect
compression! Comes with two high quality TBCs and optional highly
effective dropout compensators. It doesn't come with a CG, paint program
or 3D rendering software. But the quality of the video signal and
transitions is outstanding - and it is fully programmable. At $4,000 for
the package with all the options, it is a very good deal.
-> I don't understand why this concept is so hard to understand? Newtek
-> (for understandable reasons) does not like to discuss this, and
-> people on this echo, including the moderator, say this is not an
-> issue of any importance. Well, maybe it's not important for you, but
-> for many it is.
Don't get me wrong. I only sais that there is nothing wrong with
composite video itself. And there isn't. But I was clear to point out
that for y/c equipment it would cause loss of signal quality over
multiple generations.
I understand that there is a very high percentage of Toaster users
More? [Y/n/c] working with S-VHS equipment and, believe me, if I ran NewTek, I'd have
come out with component ins/outs a long time ago!
If most of your edits involve only one generation or two, don't worry
too much about the loss caused by the lack of y/c, though. It is not
going to be that critical. And if you are really concearned, there are a
few products on the market that take care of adding y/c connections for
you - like Y/C Plus (which was developed by Toaster engineers) - and do
a very good job.
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Message #1561 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 28 Nov 93 23:16:16
From: J Eric Chard
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: Re: No Upgrade
*In a message dated 25 Nov 93 17:58:11 Dan Bloomfield writes:
DB> I do keep hearing rumours though of a Toaster upgrade in January. You
DB> heard anything?
Not me. I just assume all of Allen's time is going
straight into the Toaster. Maybe a bug fix. I really have no clue.
January would make it almost a year, wouldn't it?
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Message #1562 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 10:13:27
From: J Eric Chard
To: Alan Chan
Subj: Lightwave Alt-view bug
*In a message dated Thu 2 Dec 93 8:50 Alan Chan writes:
AC> In a message dated 29 Nov 93 10:30:08, J Eric Chard wrote:
AC>
AC> JEC> Ahhhh, intermittants! The other day LWave wouldn't
AC> JEC> temporarily
AC> JEC> switch to VIEW EDIT when I held down the ALT key. It always
AC> has before and since.
AC> JEC> Sweet mystery of life......
AC>
AC> That happened to me once too.. do you remember what you were doing
AC> to get it that way?
Nope. If I did, I'd report it.
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Message #1563 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 10:44:09
From: J Eric Chard
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: Re: Field Rendering
*In a message dated 01 Dec 93 22:43:11 Dan Bloomfield writes:
DB> The original post was concerning stills which is why I advised
DB> turning it off. For slowly moving objects and or stationary ones field
DB> rendering
DB> is a waste of time. For objects that are moving rapidly or are near
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just to make sure our studio audience understands, I'm sure Dan
meant this metaphorically, as I've found no rendering penalty in using
field rendering. Back to you , Dan!
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Message #1564 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 10:53:05
From: J Eric Chard
To: Rob Ribar
Subj: Re: SFC
*In a message dated 2 Dec 93 18:49:22 Rob Ribar writes:
RR> Ok, I'm looking into the Personal SFC to output some LW
RR> framestore to tape. I want to know all of your opinions on it.
RR> I've used it before, and I overall I like it, but I wanted to know
RR> if some of the other SFC products out there are better and are they
RR> worth the money? I think $250 to $300 for the Personal SFC is
RR> pretty good for the money. Please leave some comments, because as
RR> soon as I get some extra money, this is what I'm going with.
If you can't afford a PAR, the PSFC is a great way to go. Works
very nicely, and they just upgraded their software.
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Message #1565 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 08:19:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Dean Scott
Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas?
MN> I am not. The Toaster is going into a 1084s monitor's composite in.
MN> exit the Toster and try to use the genlock, if I punch up the black
MN> background, I get a messed up Toaster screen. I think the problem
MN> lies in my power supply.
DS> Actually, I strongly think the problem is that IF your Toaster's
DS> RGB monitor port ISN'T connected to the monitor (RGB connector),
DS> THEN the RGB lines are UNTERMINATED and may be causing the "messed
That was a good bet, but not the answer. I think what may have happened was
that I had a bad power supply and the system some how got screwed up during
my attempts to fix it. I eventually got a 300watt bigfoot and a replacement
Toaster and for right now, everything seems to be working correctly. Time
will tell. I am not totally confident in the motherboard that I have in
there, but I can't isolate the problem. At the moment, everything is okay.
Thanks for the response.
More? [Y/n/c]
DS> ... He who dies with the most toys... is still dead!
Xclnt tag line ^^^^^^^^ ! Kinda Buddhist in tone.
...The Zen is Mightier than the Ford.
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Message #1566 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 17:03:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Barb Hamilton
Subj: RE: Toaster problem-any ideas
BH> systems. The Problem was SOLVED by replacing the Fat Agnus in the
BH> machine. Perhaps this may be of help to you, as it was driving me crazy.
Well, I have the Megachip upgrade and I did spend some time on the phone
with the DKB tech guy but the result was kind of inconclusive. I have since
replaced the power supply and the Toaster and for the moment everything is
working perfectly. I knew that there was some problem with the PS because
when I tapped it, the problem became more acute.
BH> Also, believe it or not, some libraries seem to cause that. I missed a
BH> couple when I did my 2.1 form 1.3 upgrade, because I re-installed some
BH> stuff, and when I went back and re-installed the new 2.1 upgrade again,
BH> the problem when away.
I don't think this is it. I have my fingers crossed. Thanks for the
response. I think the primary was the PS and then everything else that went
More? [Y/n/c] wrong was due to my fidgeting with the pots on the Toaster board (the NewTek
tech should never have told a bozo like me about adjusting those--the sum
total of tv engineering brain cells would fill a thimble with room left over
for my drool as I attempt to repair my own Toaster :-P
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Message Command:
Message #1567 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 21:21:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: Pre-roll
-> I'm wondering if anyone knows of a good single frame deck that
-> doesn't have to pre-roll for every frame. It would be nice if
-> someone could point me in the direction of a single frame
-> Beta-SP deck that does single frame without all the wear and
-> tear of pre-rolling every single frame.
->
-> Is this even possible? If not, looks like we'll have to look
-> into renting time on a digital disc recorder
All tape decks have to pre-roll before an edit due to the fact that the
mechanisim needs a finite amount of time to get up to proper speed.
Check out the DPS PAR instead. You can play your animations in real time
to any kind of deck with no more wear on the deck than any normal insert
edit.
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Message #1568 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 12:06:00
From: David Swoboda
To: Rich Koster
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
-=> Quoting Rich Koster to Bill Beogelein <=-
BB> JEC> What Topeka "genius"...
BB>
BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload
BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the
BB> picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from
BB> memory.
RK> I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works
RK> for me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I
RK> don't know why you can't get it to work.
Of the four Toaster systems that I use, one of them, an A2000 with T2000 and
v3.0 VT and 12MB RAM also WILL NOT unload TPAint with a shift-click. This
system has a GVP 040 installed. I have problems saving saving FREEZE frames
More? [Y/n/c] and get lots of horizontal lines in images. Last week NewTek told me they
are
close to releasing a PATCH just for the GVP 040 users. Perhaps these
symptoms
are related???
Hold the phone... Before I could upload this message my doorbell rang. It's
FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first update
v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new note.
Chow.
David Swoboda.
... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere!
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Message Command:
Message #1569 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 16:50:14
From: Ron Kramer
To: Rob Ribar
Subj: shift/click tpaint
RR> Well, no I don't think it's just the software. I have an
RR> A4000 with the VT4000 and I have the bug too. I have to go into
RR> ToasterPaint in order to quit it...no shift-click for me.
Might have something to do with your machine configuration. I tried it to
make sure... and it works fine on my 040 4000 w/T4000 toaster. Quit and
shift/click on the Tpaint icon both removed it from memory.
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Message Command:
Message #1570 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 16:55:18
From: Ron Kramer
To: David Swoboda
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
DS> doorbell rang. It's
DS> FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first update
DS> v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new note.
DS> Chow.
WELL WELL WELL???? How do you rate with FedX service? Fill us in.
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Message Command:
Message #1571 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 05 Dec 93 20:33:07
From: Dean Scott
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: LW user
On (01 Dec 93) Dan Bloomfield wrote to Dean Scott...
DB> Message recieved. Always happy to hear from another LightWave user.
So, tell me for what and how you are using LW. What version?
What's the neatest effect you've designed?... your typical
time/frame render?... longest sequence (frames)?... animation
medium (S-VHS, 3/4, etc)?... max objects in a sequence?...
object types?
DAS
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Message #1572 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 07 Dec 93 03:44:11
From: Dave Holt
To: All
Subj: Graphics
Yo and Hey.
I need iff graphics of hockey teams and mostly thier logo's. Anybody
have any please. Thanks.
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Message #1573 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 07 Dec 93 23:45:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Re: Field Rendering
-> Just to make sure our studio audience understands, I'm sure
-> Dan
-> meant this metaphorically, as I've found no rendering penalty in
-> using field rendering. Back to you , Dan!
I haven't made an extensive study of it but it seemed to me there was a
rendering time penalty to using field rendering. I could be wrong but I
remember checking it when I first got 3.0. I'll check it again to make
sure.
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Message #1574 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 07 Dec 93 23:53:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: Dean Scott
Subj: LW user
-> So, tell me for what and how you are using LW. What version? What's
-> the neatest effect you've designed?... your typical time/frame
-> render?... longest sequence (frames)?... animation medium (S-VHS,
-> 3/4, etc)?... max objects in a sequence?... object types?
I do LW for industrial videos and broadcast commercials. The people
who've seen my reel seem to like the open I did for the Dick Howser
award banquet (the college baseball equivalent of the Heisman), where a
baseball pops through the roof of the Florida Suncoast Dome and then
morphs into the award. Typical render times on an 040 with version 3.0
can run anywhere from a minute to twenty minutes. All my animations
until now have been on 3/4 but the place I'm at now has Betacam SP. I
don't recall max objects but it was probably about 40 or so.
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Message #1575 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 08 Dec 93 00:11:11
From: Dan Bloomfield
To: All
Subj: 2000 Toaster
I was considering purchasing a used 2000 and was wondering what a good
price would be for the following system?
2000 with PPS 040 with 16 megs and Trump card controller
2 meg chip ram
100 meg hd
88 meg Syquest internal
Toaster 2000
Is $4000 too high for this system in today's market?
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Message #1576 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 07 Dec 93 07:39:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: Bad MB or Agnus?
SM> >that Toaster out of commission for some time. It has screen garbage
SM> that
SM> >was there the moment I booted it up. Funny kind of residual stuff left
SM> >on the workbench screen when I close windows. I am so burned out with
SM> WAIT!!!! Don't send it back. That is a common problems with A2000s.
SM> I'm assuming that's what you have if you are having these problems.
SM> A large number of A2000s left the factory with a jumper set wrong.
Well that's just great. The tech from Software Hut sent me a new Agnus to
see if that might help. I will try your solution first. Amazingly enough,
my own Toaster is finally up and running. I have been dumping Ham anims to
tape for the last two hours in prep for editing a short PSA for my students:
A: This is your mind V: black screen
A: This is finals week V: Lens flare shot of headlights approaching at a
high rate of speed.
More? [Y/n/c] A: This is your mind
during finals week V: spiral star warp shot
A: Your mind:
Don't take a final without
it. V: fade to black.
So it is off to the edit room I go. Hi Ho Hi Ho.
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Message Command:
Message #1577 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 17:00:34
From: Scott Pessoni
To: Scott Marlowe
Subj: TBC's
SM> The software is good on a PC or Amiga, btw.
SP> The only problem is that I don't feel like changeing around software.
SP> I am the type of person who is hands on though I will use software if
SP> I have too!
SM> Well, after having used a couple of standalones, and using the DPS
SM> software, I can honestly say that the DPS software is easier to use
SM> and is more intuitive than most standalones control knobs are.
SM> A great feature is the color balance. Imagine this, you have color
SM> bars going into a vector scope, and they seem to be the right
SM> amplitude, but are offcenter (i.e. seem shifted down or left etc...)
SM> on the vector scope. You have a 3-D screen with a small cursor in it.
SM> Grab the cursor and move it with your mouse, and watch the 6 pointed
SM> vector scope display follow your mouse! Very nice for adjusting
More? [Y/n/c] SM> REALLY screwed up video.
So you can move the vector scope points? That's nifty! <g>
SM> Plus, you get ten presets for each of four TBCs, and ten more for SM>
every default file you care to make. Makes it very nice. You just SM> set
up each TBC to hand each Camera you have in the studio, and if SM> you put
a tape from one unit into a particular tape deck, you just SM> click on
recall and that deck is set up and ready to go!
That is helpfull.. But what happens if you are in a tight amount of time and
insted of tweeking the colors a bit with a controler you have to go all the
way over to that software. And if it still doesn't look right you have to
do it all over agein! Accualuy the more I think about it I like both the
software and external controler. I guess I will buy a external contoler
with it.
-Scott
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Message Command:
Message #1578 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 09:31:01
From: Rich Koster
To: David Swoboda
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Hi David!
On Monday, December 6th '93 you wrote to me:
DS> Of the four Toaster systems that I use, one of them, an A2000 with T2000
DS> and v3.0 VT and 12MB RAM also WILL NOT unload TPAint with a shift-click.
DS> This system has a GVP 040 installed. I have problems saving saving
DS> FREEZE frames and get lots of horizontal lines in images. Last week
DS> NewTek told me they are close to releasing a PATCH just for the GVP 040
DS> users. Perhaps these symptoms are related???
Sounds like you've got something there.
DS> Hold the phone... Before I could upload this message my doorbell rang.
DS> It's FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first
DS> update v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new
More? [Y/n/c] DS> note. Chow.
Looking forward to it, David!
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Message Command:
Message #1579 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 09:42:29
From: Rich Koster
To: Don Pope
Subj: re: netmail
Hi Don!
On Saturday, December 4th '93 you wrote to me:
DP> Hi Rich....
DP> I've been having a lot of trouble lately with fido feeds (got one
DP> day's worth all last week), so have changed to point off another board
DP> that gets it's feed elsewhere. New address "1:3815/106.2"..... I sent
DP> you a netmail message last week - but I have no assurance that it even
DP> got out (about setting up decks with my Toaster system). Give me a call
DP> (collect is ok) at 918-336-0060.
I didn't have that much great advice, so instead of costing you long
distance money I've instead re-sent my reply via netmail to your new
Fidonet address, Don. :)
More? [Y/n/c] --- April V0.994fRegBeta+
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Message Command:
Message #1580 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 10:38:48
From: Rich Koster
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
Hi J!
On Friday, December 3rd '93 you wrote to J. Moore:
JEC> *In a message dated 28 Nov 93 04:08:11 J. Moore writes:
JEC>
JEC> JM> RK> Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on
JEC> JM> RK> NewTek's back saying that they've done something deliberately
JEC> JM> RK> ... It looks like this one is just a bug that didn't get
JEC> JM> RK> squashed yet, not some dire conspiracy.
JEC> JM>
JEC> JM> That's true. Perhaps it would also be good if some others
JEC> JM> shouldn't be so quick to strongly imply that others are crazy
JEC> JM> because they report a problem that some don't have.
JEC> JM>
JEC> JM> Right?
More? [Y/n/c] JEC>
JEC> Hah. Good one.
Yes it was! But I notice that you didn't see anything wrong in the way
that *YOU* were quick to think it was a conspiracy rather than a bug! ;)
JEC> You'd think Richy was sleeping with Kiki, he's so quick to defend
JEC> NewTek's honor.
Actually, I much prefer the previous spokesmodel, Laura Longfellow. I've
never prefered Kiki to Laura, even after seeing Kiki "in the flesh"... ;)
JEC> Yo Rich, the interface is lame! And if you don't like my opinion
JEC> (and my facts) , there's a beach and a hammer waiting for you.
I have no problem with the fact that your opinion differs from mine.
What I found odd is that you thought there was some dire conspiracy
apparently directed at you, at least in your own mind. ;)
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Message Command:
Message #1581 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 06 Dec 93 12:41:01
From: Don Thompson
To: All
Subj: Video Toaster
I'm interested in beginning a small production company for local
cable, public access. I have a 386 33/mhz currently running a
bulletin board service. I would like to know the cost of a video
toaster, and what other equipment would be necessary. A list with
estimated pricing would be nice...
Thanks in advance...
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Message Command:
Message #1582 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 8 Dec 93 12:29:11
From: Jim Mixon
To: Trent Johnson
Subj: Re: Fonts
TJ> Help! Trying to source the fonts which comprise the Plymouth and Dodge
TJ> automobile company logos. Does anyone out there on the nets know if
TJ> there
TJ> are PostScript or Fontbank equivalents to these fonts?
TJ> I suspect they are custom logo fonts, but who knows...
TJ> Could also use these two logos in virtually any 3D format: LW,
TJ> Imagine,
TJ> 3DS, Wavefront, etc.
TJ> Any ideas folks?
Hi Trent,
Send me the JPEG'd logo's and I will make the lwob's for you.....
More? [Y/n/c] Jim Mixon
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Message Command:
Message #1583 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 18:51:45
From: Otis F. Ivie
To: Grant Cormier
Subj: GVP's new TBC+ Looks Good
not that new! We had it at WOC Pasedena!!
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Message Command:
Message #1584 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 17:37:31
From: Barb Hamilton
To: Dan Bloomfield
Subj: RE: 2000 Toaster
*I* think it is. I have what I think is more value for the buck and about
1/2 the price. If you are interested in details, leave me e-mail.
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Message Command:
Message #1585 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 07 Dec 93 23:29:05
From: Sam Kanter
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE
>Im not sure, someone has said that they couldn`t get the 3.0 software to
work
>with a T4000 installed in a 2000. So who knows. I never instaled my
3.0... I
>got T4000 software with my T4000 card. Got 3.0 software in its own seperate
Well, I know the Software that comes with the Toaster 4000 will not work in
a Amiga 2000 -- only the 3.0 software will. It seems 3.0 won't work with a
T4000 at all, even in a A20000.
Are you saying that it's legal to sell your old version if you are upgraded
to another version, but illegal to sell it if you have not?
I think we're entering the Twilight Zone of software ethics -- and it's
beginning to seem silly to me. By the way, do you think it's wrong to make a
copy of software for your wife for her own computer? I'm sure no one here
More? [Y/n/c] would do that -- they'd just go out and buy another copy -- right?
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Message Command:
Message #1586 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 07 Dec 93 23:37:07
From: Sam Kanter
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
>Sam, Its not NewTeks fault that you`ve selected a format that requires
>seperation of chroma and luma to achieve decent quality. Composite
connections
Ron, I'm sure Newtek would like to market it's product to the widest range
of users possible. The reason that the Toaster is not Y/C is that Y/C was
not much being used while the Toaster was being developed. At this point it
would be difficult to redesign for Y/C. Instead of being honest about this,
they just say that the issue of Y/C is "irrelevant".
The main reason that I, and others, use Hi-8 and S-VHS equipment is
-economic-, not some arbitrary, poorly thought-out choice. Obviously a 1"
system would be higher quality, and would not have the Y/C incompatibility,
but would cost about ten times as much!
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Message Command:
Message #1587 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 15:02:00
From: Sam Kanter
To: All
Subj: TOASTER CG SHAKIES
When I use the Toaster CG to scroll text at the -slowest- speed (the only
speed that is readable for long text entries), the text shakes and quivers
quite a bit. I assume this is some NTSC artifact that can't be helped. Is
there any way around this problem?
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Message Command:
Message #1588 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 15:08:27
From: Sam Kanter
To: Ron Kramer
Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT
>quality video. When I was starting out I too was a `S` finatic. I later
>learned that using `S` connections was far less important for achieving a
>quality video product then say the video format used, or the quality of the
camera the source stock was shot with... or the quality of lighting used to
Ron although I've received three grants from the National Endowment for the
Arts for my video work, I still don't make that much money at it, and it's
not my main source of income (I'm also a musician/composer and have huge
equipment expenses for my -music- studio gear).
Is there a way I could upgrade formats for a comparable cost to my S-VHS
system? (I doubt it...)
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Message Command:
Message #1589 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 08 Dec 93 19:16:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: Nancy Kowall
Subj: Parallel universes
MN> the
MN> 040 accelerator for it so I sold it. I have regretted that ever
MN> since.
NK> I did the same thing! I am STILL kicking myself- I kept the 2500_Toaster
NK> so my kid could have a more reliable 'game' machine. I shudda been more
NK> selfish! (smile) ALtho' I just added the GVP 40 MHz 030 board and it
NK> sure is zippy. (My TrumpCardPro finally died (good riddance) and I
NK> traded in my 26030 (CMBs)- got $150 and paid $1800 about a year ago
NK> (loud OUCH!)
I called Creative back in August and they just happened to have a Zeus for
the A3000 in stock with 8 megs installed. Unfortunately, they wanted $1600
for it and at the time, following the $500 blow out price, I felt it was a
rip. I could kick myself now. I got $900 for my memory-heavy A3000.
More? [Y/n/c] Agree about the Trumpcard Pro. Just pulled mine out and replaced it with
the dull but effective A2091. Now it is controlling a 150 meg external
full-height pig and two internal drives with no hassle. The Trumpcard might
be a techno marvel but setting it up is no picnic. I prefer the reliable HD
Toolbox of Workbench 2.1. So right now, to quote Reagan, "in this shining
moment" I actually have my Toaster running, I have about 600 megs of
storage, 18 megs of fast ram, 2 megs of chip ram. Can it last? I just got
my Personal Component y/c adapter back from DPS. I figure the minute I hook
it up to the Toaster, the whole system should blow up. Working with this
stuff means never having to say you have a zero balance on your credit card.
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Message Command:
Message #1590 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 08 Dec 93 19:37:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: All
Subj: Toaster Paint Arexx?
How the hell do you get those Arexx routines for Toaster Paint to work? I
see them in the drawer in my Toaster/Arexx_Examples directory, but I have no
clue how to get them to work... They look interesting. Can anyone help me?
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Message Command:
Message #1591 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4)
Date: 08 Dec 93 19:40:00
From: Mike Nielsen
To: David Swoboda
Subj: 3.0 upgrade
DS> Hold the phone... Before I could upload this message my doorbell rang.
DS> It's FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first
DS> update v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new
DS> note. Chow.
Where is mine???? I am green with envy! You are apparently the first kid
on the block to get this. Do you live in Topeka or what???
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Message Command:
Message #1592 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 07 Dec 93 08:48:17
From: Don Pope
To: J Eric Chard
Subj: Re:
In a message of <02-Dec-93 09:39:14> J Eric Chard (1:343/53) wrote:
JEC> I think even the die-hards will accept the fact now that
JEC> there is a bug, after dozens have reported it here.
The die-hards do accept that there is a problem. Several have reported
the problem. On the other hand, several have reported no such problem (even
on A2000s). Given such, it may be that the machine itself (or perhaps the
specific Toaster board) may be where the problem lies. I think that has to
be explored before dismissing it as a software bug. Trouble-shooting
requires a thorough examination of all possibilities. I don't think those
that have had this problem have bothered to check these other possibilies -
it is, after all, at most, a minor inconvenience and probably not worth the
hassle. I just want to point out that on some A2000s running 3.0, the
shift-click problem does not exist - so, if a user is serious about the
"bug", it would seem to be possible to have it eliminated, one way or
More? [Y/n/c] another.
Amigaly,
.Don.
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Message Command:
Message #1593 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2)
Date: 07 Dec 93 09:02:04
From: Don Pope
To: Barb Hamilton
Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade
In a message of <05-Dec-93 09:06:48> Barb Hamilton (1:203/2263) wrote:
BH> Don, I believe there may exist different versions of 3.0 software for
BH> the 2000 board. MY version of the 3.0 software has the same
BH> shift-click no unload Toasterpaint as several others have.
Well, I did wait until August to get mine. I had to be hit over the head
by attending a Stranahan seminar to realize that I had to get the upgrade
ASAP!!! :) Perhaps that is the problem... but I still am betting on some
hardware/software conflict between the Toaster and 2000 of the affected
users. I.E., although others could use the CG with one meg Chip RAM, I
couldn't even get it loaded until I got 2M - then, no problems at all. Could
have been my motherboard rev., or any number of other problems - but it
wasn't the Toaster or its software (although I reinstalled the software a
number of times because I thought it might be :)).
More? [Y/n/c] Amigaly,
.Don.
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Message Command:
Message #1594 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1)
Date: 10 Dec 93 19:28:29
From: Karl Feltner
To: Mike Nielsen
Subj: Re: Toaster Paint Arexx?
copy the scripts to your REXX directory. Boot up the toaster, if the
script involves tpaint boot that. Exit the toaster and execute the
rexx script. The sample scripts are ok, but nothing to write home
about.
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